I’m kind of sick of opening my tor browser everyday just for looking at important updates.
luckily if we get more people to join the fediverse, which RSS is an available option by default. in the future I might only need to just open my RSS feeds.
the problem is little to no content creators use the fediverse, even unaware that doing this is a good thing because of “First Mover Advantage”. on top of that, unlike that term doing this has no risks involved. you’re just expanding your audience.
People around the internet should ask their favorite youtubers and content creators to also use a Mastodon and Peertube account, maybe get them a crossposter software to do everything for them. if that exists.
like you and everyone else, I don’t want to rely on big social media corporations to connect with people.
I hope this message gets to somewhere, repost this or tell other’s to do the same.
- For the fediverse to grow it needs to think out of the box, offer disruptive means of communications and content distribution to carve it self a significant user base to rival tech giants. for now Fediverse projects lack vision and are stuck developing the technicality without taking a creative approach to its development. TikTok went big because it didn’t try to copy Facebook and instagram, but offered a different use model. google circles tried to copy facebook, and dispite googles huge userbase it failed.
- For the fediverse to grow and maintain a sustainable user base it needs exclusive content, which content creators aren’t willing to make for free, they are more likely to put in the effort for platforms that reward their handwork like Patreon than a wild distributed one like Peertube.
- 99% percent of content creation these days is done with the intent of making profit. so it is hard to convince creators to invest time and money into maintaining instances that will bring them no more than croutons.
- I think it will be hard for the Fedivrese to out grow the niche audience of tech savvy people, and refugee comunities.
But lets keep positive and keep encouraging the development!
basically, the fediverse either needs advertisers or some groundbreaking tech/concept which will provide a revenue stream for content creators and revenue seekers.
For the fediverse to grow it needs to think out of the box, offer disruptive means of communications and content distribution to carve it self a significant user base to rival tech giants. for now Fediverse projects lack vision and are stuck developing the technicality without taking a creative approach to its development. TikTok went big because it didn’t try to copy Facebook and instagram, but offered a different use model. google circles tried to copy facebook, and dispite googles huge userbase it failed.
This is what I really agree with, also we really need the steve jobs of fediverse
It’s worth pointing directly at how YouTube is a bad tool for what creators are trying to do as evidenced by the constant dancing around what the algorithm considers “advertiser friendly”. When’s the last time you watched a YouTube video and they didn’t have to censor themselves either explicitly or by thinking out loud “YouTube will flag this”?
Creators want to be apart of a community moderated and curated by real humans just like their audience, I would guess, and it’s exciting that PeerTube is postured to support this! I don’t think it’s a hard sell really other than the monetary landscape will get rattled but I imagine that’s a solvable problem too.
this is a good point, also uninformed people get too paradoxical when choosing a youtube alternative (since most website list like, 5 different alternative) when they could just recommend the most superior one (peertube) .
looking how bad youtube censorship is we could definitely convince alot of people to use it.
yeah, It’s definitely not a hard sell.
It could be worth creating a proper guide to moving to the fediverse. Including views from users, admins, where to self-host etc. I don’t think that actually exists. There are a couple of providers that ship Mastodon directly like masto.host but no idea if that’s really working out that well.
thank you for your input, I will put it to good use.
the fact that shouting from a barren land and from middle of a busy city makes the difference. the barren land needs to populate so as to lure the creators.
then we need more people shouting from said barren land
Soon…
Regarding asking content creators, especially youtubers, to use PeerTube, what is the easiest way to tell them an instance to use if they are not interested in hosting one themselves? I have thought about doing this for a couple shows I watch.
People around the internet should ask their favorite youtubers and content creators to also use a Mastodon and Peertube account, maybe get them a crossposter software to do everything for them. if that exists.
maybe link them to a hosting website that takes care of everything. you should see something like that in github Installation guides as they have easy methods of installing. or just copy and paste that github installation altogether.
edit; sorry I didn’t read that right, I’ll search a fitting one for them. it should be the main one peertube themselves host.
As someone who managed a PeerTube instance for a large YouTube channel I have to say the big problem is storage: how are you going to pay for storage that increases with each new video while the income is mostly the same? From a business point of view it’s a suicide.
Keep in mind content creators on YouTube produce many gigabytes/week. In a few years they would have to pay hundreds of dollars each week, even when they pause and not producing any new video, when they are getting less donations and so on.
Why should they invest so much money in a PeerTube instance? Only a premium pay-to-view service can justify it and you really need a high cost-to-produce-and-stream-the-video/minutes-of-video ratio to make it convenient, for example documentaries and not lazy records of hours of online debates.
Interesting, I’m researching on the best solution right now, if there is no way around this problem then peertube will simply never take off.
edit; I haven’t found anything yet, in fact I think only you have talked about this specific problem, It’s really late here I’m gonna sleep.
This has to have been discussed before right? Because yeah this is a very strong argument not to self-host. Naively I’m wondering if there can be archives backed by IPFS or something but that’s so much data it’s scary.
Indeed I opened the issue on PeerTube Github about IPFS years ago. No, IPFS alone doesn’t solve this, it would just be a way to make the federation more robust.
The only solution I can think of is the following: make PeerTube content creators able to “archive” their old videos, maybe automatically when they approach a storage limit. By “archiving” I mean the video files are deleted from the server but the video page with its comments remain. Before archiving the author is prompted to download the video files. If a user open the page of an archived video they can’t play it, instead a button is shown to ask the original author to reupload it. The user is then notified that the video is available again. At that point is up to the content creator to reupload the old video and keep it online for a while. One could also reupload the video files because their video is relevant again (think about old news that can return interesting).
you should definitely open this issue on github and recommend your own solution, that way people don’t have to buy storage they can’t buy. this is a temporary solution but at least it’ll give them more time to think of something. (i.e. monetization methods, or better hosting solution.)
I already discussed this once on GitHub, I don’t remember where, sorry.
IPFS works similarly to webtorrent. However IPFS is working on a system to incentivize seeding via filecoin.
How many GB are we really talking about per week here? Most instances seem to have costs of between 15 and 40€/month and some of them have over a TB of data…
Roughly ~20-80 GB/week resulting after a couple of years in ~100-200$/month
That’s huge! Who uploads so much they need 80GB :o
Have you taken into account that the final space occupied by a video includes several files transcoded at different resolutions?
I mean, yeah for sure but still that is a lot. It’s Twitch Replays or something (also no need to use 4k necessarilly).
Yes, it might be good to have a spiel with basic instance éducation for converting youtubers who might think Peertube is one big centralised youtube clone.
any view on peertube means one less view on YouTube which means less revenue. this is not the way.
is it okay to do shameless self-promotion here even if my content is sparsego for it. are you a novelist?
Not really novelist, I just do worldbuilding and conlanging. I sometimes do other kinds of things like programming stuff or drawings. It’s all on my website. It has an RSS feed too!
I’m going to go around reddit.
Am I wrong or Mastodon’s RSS feed doesn’t even support images?
I think they do https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/blob/2ff01f78f79d0b075e127a6aee05c4c429daf569/app/lib/rss_builder.rb for some reason I can’t find the .xml link in mastodon.
