Also offensive: pointing out that English speakers do not use the word “American” to refer to people from Latin America. The term in our language is universally used to refer to people from the country America.

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    18 hours ago

    Oh, incidentally I also reported dessaline’s comment. Like you say, they were pretty obviously behaving in an offensive manner. I figure if the mods are removing my comments (and giving me a weeklong ban!!), they had for sure better remove dessaline’s, which is far more directly offensive with its completely unfounded accusation of white supremacy and calling you illiterate.

    In relation to the claims they make about America not being used prior to the 20th century…even their own article proves them wrong.

    For some thirty years prior to 1898, while the adjective ‘American’ has been in general use, the noun ‘America’ has been extremely rare,

    it says. Remembering that this is a thread specifically about the demonym. So the adjective has been in widespread use since at least the 19th century, despite what our fascistic friend says.

    Not that the claim made in that article is exactly correct. One of my favourite books (and certainly my favourite pre-20th-century text) uses some derivation of “America” no fewer than 7 times, two of which are nouns. Not exactly an obscure text, and not one with any reason to be strongly biased in favour of America. Still, that at only serves as proof that the claim in the article is wrong by at least 1 year, so it’s not the most damning. Not as damning as the fact that the article given in evidence that “American” only exists because imperialism (never mind the bleeding obvious…America as a country, and indeed all the various other countries of the Americas, only exist because of imperialism) specifically states that “American” existed prior.

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      Damn, they added a ban? And a week? A one day, that’s kinda normal for a cooldown period, but a week? Damn.

      And, yeah, the subject comes up from time to time, so I’ve gone looking a few times. Never bothered to keep links, and lost my copy/paste that covered quotes and citations, but there’s no lack of evidence regarding the usage I was describing.

      The French in specific were pretty hung ho about accepting the US as a nation early on. They use a different term in French, etatsunidens, or something like that, but when they were using English in correspondence with us and our diplomats of the era, American and America were used for sure. Not that it matters too much, since the real point of the conversation was current usage; I only brought up the past to indicate that the subject isn’t controversial overall. But I guess I used keywords lol

      I respect the work dessalines puts into lemmy as a dev, so I never get nasty with him, and in truth he’s not usually that rude himself. But he has that habit when he’s on his “home turf” of sticking to the party line no matter what, even if it’s having to hammer the square peg of it into the round hole of a conversation.

      Makes me wonder what bug is up his ass tbh. Maybe it was a bad day or whatever. We’ve disagreed in the past without him stepping to a slap fight.