• geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        edit-2
        5 days ago

        When people start burning down tanks you are well past the point of a “protest”. This was a full on riot.

        Tiannenmen was an American backed color revolution. America trained and funded those rioters and many of their leaders fled to America afterwards.

        By the way are you aware that Tank Man did not block the tanks from going to the square, but blocked them from driving away from the square?

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          6
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          Tiannenmen was an American backed color revolution.

          I was with you speaking truth about what happened in the square vs. side streets, but now you went off the rails.

          The protesters were Dengists. The whole thing started when Hu Yaobang died, making people fear that anti-reformist forces within the party would get the upper hand. They were backing up one faction against the other, predictably, the hardliners wanted to crack down on them just as they wanted to get rid of the reformers. That’s why this turned ugly instead of getting resolved in the reformist way, which they were busy doing, having conferences with the protestors.

          Absolutely, 110%, Chinese-internal politics.

          • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            edit-2
            4 days ago

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellowbird

            Background: Weeks prior to the violent escalation of the protests, the CIA maintained a network of informants among the student protesters as well as within Chinese intelligence services, which it used to monitor the situation.[9] . The CIA actively aided the student activists in forming their movement, providing them various equipment including typewriters and fax machines according to a U.S. official.[9]

            • barsoap@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              7
              ·
              edit-2
              4 days ago

              Oooooh typewriters. Did they also send pencils? Other things that the protestors could get themselves, or do without? That could have come from other places if the CIA didn’t supply them to their moles, to distribute? How many pencils did the protesters use that were not procured through the CIA?

              The whole colour revolution thing is a KGB myth. Populations cannot be influenced like that, it’s just not how social dynamics work. It’s a power fantasy they never managed to implement for themselves, but believe the other side has, because they’re that kind of paranoid.

              In any case: Yes, the students were Dengists. Is, or is not, Dengism a Chinese political stance. One that wasn’t exactly extraordinary in the days, and still the foundation of much current policy. Did the CIA come up with the modern stance of the CCP or something or what do you want to imply.

              • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                7
                ·
                4 days ago

                The whole colour revolution thing is a KGB myth.

                You are basically denying the CIA exists. To which I counter: “The CIA exists.”

                • barsoap@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  4 days ago

                  I acknowledge the CIA exists. What I deny is it being all-powerful. The CIA is not god, it cannot achieve aphysical results. I hope that’s not controversial.

                  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    5
                    ·
                    4 days ago

                    The CIA is not god, it cannot achieve aphysical results.

                    Yes, the CIA proved that by failing this color revolution. The populace did not fall for the CIA playbook and there was no massive civil war. Only a small riot. Keep in mind this is nothing like the Kent State massacare where the American police actually massacared peaceful unarmed protesters. These Tiannenmen rioters burned army officers alive.

        • Midnitte@beehaw.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          edit-2
          4 days ago

          Well I guess we’ll have to rewrite all of the wikipedia pages.

          Perhaps we can invite someone from China to do so. Tell me, are the tank drivers available?

          Oh, we should also have System of a Down rewrite their song - can’t believe they got it wrong, silly band

          • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            ·
            4 days ago

            Well I guess we’ll have to rewrite all of the wikipedia pages.

            Lol, not the shitlib Holy Scripture! Surely it never gets rewritten!

          • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            4 days ago

            On the one hand you have been presented video and photographic evidence that there were armed riots and the army had their tanks burned down by these so called “protesters”. There is no need to ask a Chinese person, not like you would believe them.

            On the other hand, you present System Of A Down and Wikipedia which is notoriously Western biased when it comes to political subjects and straight up contradicts what we see in the images and videos.

            Woe me which will I believe. The evidence of my eyes and ears or wikipedia.org?

            • Grapho@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              4 days ago

              Right? If ten thousand Chinese people came up to them to tell them they’d just say, of course, they’re brainwashed see see pee bots, else they’d uncritically believe western media

      • Nemo's public admirer@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        edit-2
        5 days ago

        True
        State violence should not be validated

        A recent mainstream example would be the Jan 6 protests in USAmerica. The protest about concerns regarding the legitamacy of the USA’s elections was maligned as domestic terrorism and a coup-attempt by some, right?
        A protestor got fatally shot and killed by the state appartus.

        CW: Suicide
        4 police officers involved who were involved in the suppression took their own lives too. Likely due to strain they faced from the state appartus.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

        Whether peaceful protests are allowed is a basic litmus for any modern democracy. All these incidents show how democratic checks and balances are required to discourage the violent arm of the state.


        Would this be an example of how it could be seen in different pov’s?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5__ESiklA1A

        I do oppose state violence, but I doubt Western narratives too.