• riodoro1@lemmy.world
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    2 hours ago

    Perfect proof that every country in europe is capable of being equally stupid. Hungarians set the bar quite low but east germans seem to be quite competitive.

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      9 hours ago

      You might be onto something. The sole reason for the EU (to be more precise, its predecessors) being founded was to prevent a conflict like WW2 from ever happening again within Europe.

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        3 hours ago

        I would argue that the reason was to foster understanding and cooperation by dismantling national barriers for trade and industry between the early participating members but the outcome is of course the same.

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          The original reason for the first EU predecessor, still under the impression of then very recent WW2, the Steel and Coal Union, was literally to prevent any further war between its founding members, France and Germany, by interconnecting the industries most vital to waging a war at that time, steel and coal, to such a degree that going to war with each other would immediately ruin the economy of either. The coal and steel industry was deliberately chosen, because it was seen as the quickest and easiest path to achieve that goal. Large parts of the steel and coal industry were badly damaged or outright destroyed by the war and had to be rebuilt anyway, also you can’t possibly sustain waging a modern war without steel and energy.

          The goals you are describing were seen as a means to the end of achieving the “no more war” goal.

  • Foni@lemm.ee
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    11 hours ago

    I know almost nothing about German internal politics, I don’t know who could be an option from that perspective, but please, please, German brothers, do not lose sight of the European project.

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      2 hours ago

      Im scared that too many brains have been rotten by continuous right-extremist and russian propaganda. If we get out of it unscathed I will consider it a miracle.

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      5 hours ago

      It’s about to get ugly. The neo-Nazis are polling as 2nd strongest party, the established parties are dancing to their whistle to fish for votes they’re never going to get, because nobody will vote for a cheap copy if they can have the original, and there is an election soon.

      The current government already threw Schengen out of the window and instituted border checks, (out of a ficticious “national emergency”) which they just prolonged this week. The so-called “conservatives” tried to pass an anti immigration law they very well knew could only pass with support of the neo-Nazis, but they tried anyway. The “Liberals” and the neo-Nazis voted with them, with very few exceptions. Everyone is in a rat race to outrun the neo-Nazis in terms of xenophobic bullshit. Meanwhile the only credible left leaning party that has any chance of even getting any seats in the upcoming election is clinging to some idiotic “peace” ideals that weirdly benefit a certain fascistoid cleptocrat in Russia who is currently invading a neighbour country of his.

      I don’t have as many buckets as I want to vomit.

  • Sunshine (she/her)OP
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    12 hours ago

    Of course Obran doesn’t want to get kicked out of the EU but to bring the whole thing down.