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Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Mariam Barghouti
Jan 21, 2025from Drop Site News
[you may get a request to sign up for free subscription]“Israel launched a major military operation on Jenin in the occupied West Bank on Tuesday, raiding the city with troops, military vehicles, and bulldozers backed by airstrikes, drones, and Apache helicopters. At least nine Palestinians have been killed and more than 40 wounded in the ongoing operation, according to the Ramallah-based Palestinian health ministry, which Israel has dubbed “Operation Iron Wall.””
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You can’t negotiate with terrorists, and Israel are the terrorists.
that didn’t last long
In fairness, Jenin is in the West Bank, not Gaza.
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Aren’t you the mod banning folk for “misinformation” i.e speaking the truth on the genocide enacted by Israel
Nope, I remove misinformed comments and temp ban repeat violators.
You are correct, Israel is engaging in Genocide, Biden was not. His opinions on Israel were naive and outdated, but not genocidal.
“I took the White House’s rhetoric at its word and found it to be naïve, and therefore the United States is not complicit in genocide.”
Are you still removing comments refuting Western disinformation about Xinjiang for being “genocide denial”?
It’s never to late to develop real media literacy or to understand how the US incessantly prosecutes regime change operations globally, but I’m not holding my breath.
Same challenge I gave the other guy:
Show me where the ICC charged Biden the way they did Netanyahu or Putin, it’s cool. I can wait.
In fact, show me which of the 5 definitions of Genocide Biden meets under article II of the UN charter.
Pro tip - You can’t, because they didn’t.
I’m all for blaming Israel for the Genocide, they are 100% doing it and will not stop unless someone invades and makes them stop.
That doesn’t mean Biden was doing it.
Show me where the ICC charged Biden the way they did Netanyahu or Putin, it’s cool. I can wait.
So do you apply this standard consistently? Do you ban anybody who accuses China of genocide, for example?
No, the ICC has no authority in China as they aren’t a member state, for them use you Article II of the UN Genocide convention, for which they meet the definition quite aptly:
"Article II of the convention defines genocide as ANY of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group. ✅
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group. ✅
© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. ✅
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. ✅
(e) Forcibly transferring children of one group to another group." ✅
This doesn’t apply to Biden and Gaza as it’s ISRAEL committing acts A-E, not the United States.
The USA ALSO ISN’T A MEMBER STATE you hypocritical fucking dipshit. No fucking surprise that there comes the post-hoc modifications to your bullshit criteria.
And guess what, the USA also meets that criteria (well I shouldn’t say ‘also’, because China does not), but I’m sure you’ll just change your standard against to keep defending your genociders of choice
(a) Show me the Uyghur bodies
(b) Show me the serious bodily or mental harm
(c) Show me the conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part
(d) Show me the measures intended to prevent births within the group
In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.
(e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group
All you have are a couple of photos of prisons, which proves nothing, and some garbage testimonies that we’ve debunked a thousand fucking times already.
If the terrorism that the CIA-backed religious extremists brought down on Xinjiang happened in America, the US government would have come down on them a thousand times worse than how China handled them. This is obvious by simply looking at how the US handled 9/11, or by looking at US incarceration rates compared to China, or any other country in the world for that matter.
This was a failed attempt by the US government to balkanize/peel off Western China, and now the US is trying to make lemonade out of their lemon by accusing China of genocide.
No one seems to be interested in your Council on Foreign Relations hasbara.
I see, you’re speaking of genocide only in strictly a legal terms, as if that is the only meaning of the term “genocide.” Got it, Slippin’ Jimmy.
This is precisely why the US’s rhetoric is the way it is, because if they were honest about their mens rea then they would be legally complicit. The US pretends to be naïve to provide legal & rhetorical cover for itself.
Whether you are naïve, or only pretending to be, is an exercise for the reader.
Legal terms are the only terms that are factual and avoid what people feel about the issue.
Was Biden charged with war crimes the way Netanyahu was? No? Were US forces pulling the triggers? No? Not our dance. Blame the appropriate parties if you want to see something happen.
Further… and I said this in the run up to the election, Israel doesn’t need our help to commit genocide. Sniper bullets are cheap and depending on who’s counting, Israel is between the #8 and #10 arms supplier in the world.
All aid could be cut off today and the genocide would continue, because it’s Israel doing it.
The US is not doing this, Israel is:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
Even after the cease fire…
“Naive and outdated” that’s one way to describe sending $30B in arms to a genocide. Others would call it “complicity in genocide”. Like, experts in international law.
Been on lemmy.world for the last month or so you guys, I fucking hate it. Arguing with "we had to vote for Harris"ers until some vigilante mod decides my angry response to their support for genocide isn’t “civil” enough.
Experts in international law, the ICC, correctly blame Israel, not Biden.
The reason I say “naive” is that Biden persists in this mentality that Israel is just some poor victim surrounded by hostile Arab states and Israel hasn’t been a legit victim since… what? The 1972 Olympics?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre
If you look at what Israel has been doing to Gaza since the 90s, it’s a slow motion version of the ghettoization of the Jews in Nazi Germany.
Experts in international law, the ICC, correctly blame Israel, not Biden.
The link you put does not excuse Biden. Why lie?
Meanwhile, back in reality:
The reason I say “naive” is that Biden persists in this mentality that Israel is just some poor victim surrounded by hostile Arab states and Israel hasn’t been a legit victim since… what? The 1972 Olympics?
Please study the Nakba, you’re not just embarrassing yourself but whitewashing a history of genocide.
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Show me where the ICC charged Biden the way they did Netanyahu or Putin, it’s cool. I can wait.
In fact, show me which of the 5 definitions of Genocide Biden meets under article II of the UN charter.
Pro tip - You can’t, because they didn’t.
I’m all for blaming Israel for the Genocide, they are 100% doing it and will not stop unless someone invades and makes them stop.
That doesn’t mean Biden was doing it.
The absence of legal proceedings against someone for a crime does not mean they didn’t commit the crime. Are you serious?
In fact, show me which of the 5 definitions of Genocide Biden meets under article II of the UN charter.
Another red flag, you’re confusing the UN Charter with the UN Genocide Convention, which is what has an “Article II” that defines genocide. Imagine making these kinds of mistakes and posting publicly with the kind of confidence you have. What a dick.
Re: the UN Genocide Convention (not the UN Charter), if you bothered to read Article THREE, it outlines conspiracy to commit genocide as a crime independent of genocide itself, as well as direct and public incitement to commit genocide, and complicity in genocide. By any sane metric he’s guilty of multiple of these - even if we ignore the diplomatic, logistical, military, and economic support Biden gave to “Israel” for its genocide, he is also guilty of spreading genocidal incitement propaganda, namely atrocity propaganda about Oct. 7 meant to dehumanize Palestinians.
The ICC, by the way, does not enforce the UN Genocide Convention - rather, the ICJ, a different body, would issue a ruling, if a lawsuit was brought against a state party by another state party, and the UN Security Council - which the US has veto power over - would decide on any enforcement of that ruling.
You’re really committed to defending people who committed genocide
No, I’m commited to blaming the people actually committing genocide:
No, you’re committed to defending them
So you are a genocide denier. Do you also ban people who don’t deny genocide?
Nope, I fully acknowledge the genocides being commited, but in order to do that, you have to blame the correct parties.
See my post here:
https://lemmy.world/post/24563168
Blaming the wrong people won’t end the genocide.
Ok, genocide denier
My position on the Israeli genocide has been 100% clear from the start:
Yes, a position of genocide denial, and abusing your mod position to enforce your genocide denial.
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