takes a big swig of Cantor depends if you’re talking ordinals or cardinals, my dude. Let’s get heavy with infinities my man.
TL;DR you can’t use infinity like that and your calculus professor will yell at you if you try.
Infinity isn’t a real number and it’s not generally useful to think of it as one like the dude in this comic is trying to. However, in calculus you can treat it as a concept that a variable or expression can approach. In that way, “approaching infinity” is just another way of saying “increasing forever” or “given a number x, you can always use x+1”. This is why expressions like “infinity = infinity" or “infinity = infinity+1” like the comic are not useful statements.
That’s also why your calculus professor is so insistent that you write out the whole limit notation, because it’s nonsense to just throw infinity into an expression raw (like “infinity+1” in the comic). But, if you think of it as “the limit of x+1, where x approaches infinity”, then it’s clear that infinity doesn’t have anything to do with the actual values, it’s just used to describe potential values.
Here’s an example if that still doesn’t make sense: Bob and Jill are twins who were born with 0 and 1 dollars respectfully, but both earn a dollar a day forever because they’re immortal. Just because they will live forever, doesn’t mean that they’ll ever be able to say “I’m infinite years old”. They’ll always be x years old, but x will increase by one every year from their birthday for the rest of time. For the same reasons, they’ll never be able to say “I have infinite money”, but if they don’t spend it, it will increase forever, approaching infinity. And finally, if neither Bob or Jill spends anything and that dollar a day is their only income, then Jill will always be worth a dollar more than Bob, even though both have infinite wealth potential.
That’s why my coffee shop hands out Gabriel’s Horn shaped cups. Bottomless, but finite volume. What a scam.
I prefer my coffee in a Klein bottle. I only drink ∞ a day
Do you want small, moebius or large?
https://www.kleinbottle.com/drinking_mug_klein_bottle.htm
Again my warning: THIS IS NOT A GOOD DRINKING GLASS! It’s difficult to get liquids in. Difficult to get liquids out. It’s difficult to clean. (it’s also difficult to make, if that’s any consolation. ) Please treat it as a mathematical curiousity rather than a practical cup.
But there are infinities which are larger and smaller than other infinities.
-infinity is smaller than +infinity for the most simple example.
I assume that mean Infinity Light or Infinity Heavy, like ruler measurements.
To add to what Kabi said, IIRC only when you’re speaking in set or groups do the infinities become “larger” (simplified and not 100% accurate). I.E. infinity of regular numbers vs infinity containing all the variations of positive integers added. The latter would be “larger” cause it contains multiple infinities or “sets” of infinities and is infinite within itself. This video helps explain probably better
Sure, “-∞ < ∞” is a useful concept, but it is not the same thing as when we talk about the sizes of infinities. What we mean by that is how many numbers it contains: (1,2,3,4…) contains fewer numbers than (1.0,…,1.1,…,1.5,…,2.0,…,2.5,…), but how large the actual numbers are, doesn’t matter. The second example contains just as many numbers, is just as “large”, as (1.0,…,2.0).
edit: Sorry for the snarky tone, I was going for nerd maths boy. Hope I at least am technically correct.
Yeah, I was going for simple rather than correct. I didn’t want to get into explaining Cantor’s Diagonalization to Lemmy folk.
I zeno problem with his paradox.
And that’s why nothing in nature is infinite. Except human stupidity if you want to believe Einstein.
yet the universe is probably infinitely large, and expanding.
Isn’t that still open for debate? I mean that’s the half of the quote I omitted… The observable universe is finite. But kind of per definition. And time seems to be finite, too. Started 13.8 billion years ago. And if the other dimensions (space) are finite or infinite kind of depends on the shape of the universe, which we don’t exactly know. As far as I know data from telescopes hints at the universe being flat. Which would point to space being infinite.
And I mean “infinite and expanding” is kind of inconsistent in itself, isn’t it? It has to have some border that grows for it being able to expand. Or it’s infinite… But then it can’t really expand anywhere… I can’t see how it can be both at the same time.
But I’m not an astronomer. I could be totally wrong.
Oh, I believe him. Self-evident.
Relative to me you’re pretty smart though.
The symbol of infinite is a stand in for a constraint, or an idea. That’s not the same thing as the real world expression or experience of that idea.
Life has no meaning. That gives us the freedom to create what meaning we want.
