• sunflowercowboy@feddit.org
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    4 days ago

    The problem is that Linux just isn’t usable for the largest home computing demographic.

    Linux users can’t even agree on anything significant to make progress on the distros because they’d rather abandon it and try again in a new setting. It feels like a modpack of the month, year, etc, at this point. Unstable, filled with crashes and bugs, even fedora. Incomplete documentation with half defined terms and uses due to the constant splintering. It makes it worse to learn than whatever the fuck is Microsoft’s shit documentation.

    I guess you too only see the trees. A solution is not to leave the forest but to bend the trees to your will. Wherever the forest is, instead of cowering before it. A shoddy tradesman blames his tools and all that.

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      3 days ago

      The largest home computing demographic only needs a browser, that’s why a lot of people are OK with Chromebook or even tablets/phones. Definitely they don’t read documentation.

      Not for you? OK, don’t use it. But don’t assume it’s not for other people, specially when they are having issues with the alternative.

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        3 days ago

        The people who only use a browser are supposed to understand the obfuscation issues Linux has, something that even the fedora installer is renowned for struggling with?

        I never said it wasn’t for them, the person pushing others to go to Linux because of an issue with windows was doing that.

        I merely said that’s ignoring the direct issue and the underlying complications those pushing for Linux constantly ignore for new and beginner users. Folks should instead make with what they have, what they can.

        It’s the equivalent to asking for help with a car issue and being told to buy a new car. Ignoring the learning curve, time, and setup. A bootable drive is a complicated thing to understand for the largest demographic.

        Also notice how you said Chromebook or Android, however not any proper Linux distro because it sadly isn’t there for the hobby enthusiasts. Only a large organization was able to standardize and solve the main issues with Linux by completely neutering. The same way windows did before it, but at that point you’re arguing the lesser evil when the point of Linux is to be free of those evils.

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          The people who only use a browser are supposed to understand the obfuscation issues Linux has, something that even the fedora installer is renowned for struggling with?

          What obfuscation issues? I don’t want to pick much on this because it’s probably a typo or mistranslation, but it’s very weird.

          I merely said that’s ignoring the direct issue and the underlying complications those pushing for Linux constantly ignore for new and beginner users. Folks should instead make with what they have, what they can.

          No, folks should make informed decisions. If somebody can move from windows to Mac or vice versa, they can use Mint.

          It’s the equivalent to asking for help with a car issue and being told to buy a new car. Ignoring the learning curve, time, and setup. A bootable drive is a complicated thing to understand for the largest demographic.

          No, buying a new car is the equivalent to what Microsoft is telling them (buy new PC) if they want to have an OS with security updates.

          Also notice how you said Chromebook or Android, however not any proper Linux distro because it sadly isn’t there for the hobby enthusiasts

          No, I told because those are mainstream. Stop projecting your opinions.

          Let’s agree to disagree.

          Edit: removed non productive bits

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            Linux has a lot of issues with information being hard to find. Not purposely or done with malice. Just an issue inherent when dealing with hundreds of distros, versions, and hardware variables alone are a bitch.

            I love Linux btw, it just sadly isn’t there for my use case. It’s not the community, it’s just a slow and arduous transition. Just a good emp away from a reform lmao

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            That’s the beauty of the internet friend. They have information, p2p, and hope. :)

            However when you ask for help unscrewing a rounded Phillips, someone will tell you about the optimal screw to prevent it. It’s helpful, but most people are just trying to fix their shit and don’t design it.

            Both CAN be true about the car example, that’s the beauty about information! We are well informed.

            Please recommend me distros is what that means, I’d love to learn about them. Sadly everything I’ve tried is unstable or constantly deters me from doing anything right when I want it.

            Microsoft is dog shit but it just works, that’s the benefit. The same benefit android has nowadays, which Google used to help make ChromeOS a smooth transition. I miss old android phones, trackball on android 4 was still a blast even with the 5 minute boot and overheating.

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      The problem is that Linux just isn’t usable for the largest home computing demographic.

      Linux users can’t even agree on anything significant to make progress on the distros because they’d rather abandon it and try again in a new setting. It feels like a modpack of the month, year, etc, at this point. Unstable, filled with crashes and bugs, even fedora. Incomplete documentation with half defined terms and uses due to the constant splintering. It makes it worse to learn than whatever the fuck is Microsoft’s shit documentation.

      I guess you too only see the trees. A solution is not to leave the forest but to bend the trees to your will. Wherever the forest is, instead of cowering before it. A shoddy tradesman blames his tools and all that.

      Is this all AI generated? None of these arguments are valid nor true. So much so that I don’t see the point of refuting them because of Brandolini’s law: “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.”

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        3 days ago

        You still went out of your way to refute it (and formatted it with a pretty inline link) and claim it’s AI, then said the arguments are invalid without any real rhyme or reason.

        Just to tout your little knowledge about a philosophical quandary, rather than have any form of credible or valuable input.

        You’re right though, rust is being assimilated and easily facilitated in the transition by the file systems. There totally hasn’t been an ongoing fiasco just about this purely. Something that would greatly increase and benefit system stability without overhead.

        Keep interjecting with your irrelevant and valueless input, your pompousness and others like that are the reason Linux isn’t more accessible by the general masses.

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      They’re downvoting you though, so that means they’re right and Linux is perfect and everything runs on it with no manual work needing to be done at all. We’re just idiots of course.

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        3 days ago

        The community always says Google, but yet don’t understand that the issue is a language barrier.

        From speaking, living, and understanding in this architecture. You lose all contextual understanding and with it the ability to word your problems.

        The flatpacks have definitely revolutionized Linux for home usage, however the way they are hierarchie’d causes issues in my opinion. Fedora is getting there and I’m excited to try bazzite once the holidays are over.

        I can’t wait for virtualization to be fully adapted for hardware. Directly reserving the hardware to certain uses would reduce the need for 4 PC’s in my use case.