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It is likely that they are people, but that is, again, just an implementation detail. One does not come to Lemmy – or the Fediverse in general – to engage with people, they come to write their own thoughts for themselves as a solitary activity. When one seeks to engage with people, they go to where people are found, not where there are anonymous usernames that might be people, but who knows, or cares?
We never started. My alone time has always been just me.
ActivityPub is not a note-taking app with AI assist tools. That you would suggest it is, and use it as if it is, is fucking idiotic.
I come to the fediverse to talk to people, and to have my ideas and ideals challenged, because it is the platform that most closely makes the trade-offs I would make, for a platform on which to do so.
Other platforms are so lop-sidedly parasocial due to their algorithm/engagement driven feeds, I’d argue they no longer offer any interaction of value. Yes, the people are there, but the forum of human society, is not.
And if you really think that having engaged with me has left nothing of what I’ve said in your mind, you are truly delusional. Few people realize it in the moment, when the first seeds of new ideas take root in their thoughts. Even if they do not bloom, unless you are completely devoid of internal monologue, you will continue to process this exchange for a while yet, after it ends. We have started. There is nothing solitary about it.
But I suspect you are using that word to mean something it doesn’t. You’re trying to point out that everyone acts for their own reasons, as if that’s relevant. Of course they do, but it is not.
And even if the majority of users on a platform are machine, that still does not allow you to act in a purely self-centered manner. The fact that any given interaction may be with a real person, must inform your behaviour. You should care. That you don’t, is concerning. That concern is why I am going to such lengths to try and provoke introspection in you. You have some growing up to do, and you may claim to be unaffected. Why would admit to anything? But you aren’t, only the truly stupid can engage like you have, and not have the exchange sink in at all. You did play at being stupid, which is an infantile tactic that took you three comments to abandon, but you clearly are not.
What vetting mechanisms do you use to ensure that you are talking to people? It is certain that LLMs are being used on here as some of the accounts are explicit that they are LLMs – but being explicit about that is not a requirement. It would be pretty silly to come here to talk to people and then unknowingly end up talking to an LLM.
I don’t think it matters, though. I’m not here for people, I am here to use the software, which can be implemented however its developers see fit. How it is implemented is not relevant to me, only those who deliver the software.
Yes, that is a prime example. Writing notes to a piece of software so that it can feedback new information to further your understand of a topic is a solitary activity. Nobody else cares one bit about what you think. It is done for personal benefit, not for the benefit of a group. If there are humans pulling the knobs and levers behind that scenes to make that software work ,so be it, but that is but an implementation detail.
Langauge is fluid. Words can mean whatever you want them to mean. And since I am alone, I don’t even have to worry about a shared understanding.
Makes sense. Even if we assume all the accounts here are truly backed by real people and that they are engaging with each other as if it were real social setting – the fact remains that they are anonymous strangers who mean nothing to the world. Of what value would someone with intellect find in speaking to literal nobodies? Smart people have access to talk to other smart, notable people of interest who are proud of their identity and accepting of relationships around that identity. What would draw them here?
The fediverse isn’t a fucking frontend for chatbots. Even if it effectively were, that’s not what it’s for. Discussing it as if it is, is disingenuous at best, damaging to its potential, at worst.
I care what you think. You should care what I think. You should care what all of humanity thinks, in aggregate. Current society is far too busy “respecting the beliefs of others” its failing to correct those who are delusional. When met with crazy, we ignore them and leave them to their delusions, instead of arguing their beliefs out, and snapping them back to sanity.
These people vote, buy things, work jobs. They participate in the society we all live in, and that we allow them to go on believing bullshit, affects us all.
In this sense, even the answer you get when asking what an LLM thinks about something matters. It matters a lot.
I’m not “vetting” every engagement I have, I simply assume the majority are with people, until proven otherwise. That you don’t, and see the whole network as simply “software” for you to fuck with as you see fit, without regard for the meaning it can be used to convey, is disgusting.
Treating a person as if they’re a machine, is rude as hell. Treating a machine, like they were a human, doesn’t matter. When unsure, your default behaviour should be the latter, not the former. What does one lose in assuming all users on Lemmy are real? Unnecessarily being cordial when its not needed? In assuming the fediverse is just a giant version of r/subbredditsimulator, you lose its very potential to connect our species. Even if only a tiny subset of it.
If you’re not here for genuine engagement with others, you should leave. Switch to using some note taking app with AI tools, where you know you aren’t dealing with people. That you’d choose to take your bullshit here into public, with other real users, and then ignore that fact, is offensive.
It’s like adopting a tiger cub because you want something cute and cuddly, while ignoring that it will grow into something very different. It’s even dumber, because domesticate cats exits.
And semantics exist for a reason. Yes, they are fluid, but not in the way you are suggesting. Words do not mean “whatever you want them to”. When a mismatch in comprehension causes a failure of communication, that’s a bug, not a feature. Fuck off with your bullshit attempts at profound one-upping. It’s pretentious to a weapons grade level of cringe.
As for why people would be on the fediverse? Because its by far the least corrupted communications system on the planet, right now. Especially intelligent individuals who can see that mainstream social media is dying, and toxic as hell.
No, its not ready to be the one main social platform of humanity. But it is certainly the best candidate to become that. Anyone with half a finger on the pulse of the internet, has their eye on the fediverse.
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The highest purpose of all communication systems, is the increasing of consensus among humans and their societies. The exchange of ideas between person and person, until one agrees with the other, vice versa, or something in-between.
More consensus, allows more secular decision making, furthers co-operation, and therefore increases the rate of advancement of our species. You can’t achieve this by putting everyone in their own box with their own LLMs, which will only generate content in response to the occupant of the box. You’re likely to end up with each person pulling in a direction of their own hallucination enforced chat session.
Modern systems often do the opposite of increasing consensus. It categorizes and divides us, avoiding confrontation and the exchange of ideas. Amplifying the insane, instead of challenging them. Affirming, not correcting. Modern mainstream social media, several other information technologies, and your misconceived notions of how the fediverse works, must be done away with.
You need to stop feeding the trolls.
Hey, if they’re busy with me, they’re not busy with someone who’d actually be bothered by them. I like doing this.
And maybe, just maybe, some of the time I get through to one. They’ll never admit it in the moment, of course, but set em on a path to do some actual thinking, maybe they’ll come out the other side a better person.
Yeah, but as the creator of the thread, I’m also getting notifications 😂.
Really? I feel like every post I’ve made, I only got the one notification for each new comment thread, not each comment within one.
Sorry to have bothered you, if that’s not how it works.
Haha, no worries. I’m on kbin and it’s every comment. Every comment thread would be better.