The Moment of Truth
www.theatlantic.com
The reelection of Donald Trump would mark the end of George Washington’s vision for the presidency—and the United States.

I’m not a conservative myself, but I defy any conservative intending to vote for Donald Trump to read this comparison of Washington and Trump, and to honestly tell themselves afterwards that that they believe in America and its ideals.

  • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOP
    5·
    2 months ago

    Stock markets do better under Democratic presidents, as a matter of fact, so if your main motivation is your stocks, you’re better off with Harris.

    Trump isn’t promising a trade war with China, he’s planning a trade war with the entire rest of the world. This will make many people poorer, but especially Americans, because the taxes he’s proposing will be paid by Americans who rely on imported goods (which is pratically all of them, but especially the poorest). It will also make the rest of the world more reliant on China, so if that’s your issue, you should be opposed to his plans in this area.

    The ethnic cleansing is his plan for mass deportations, which themselves would constitute ethnic cleansing. Combined with his assertions that it doesn’t matter if you’re a legal immigrant, it’s clear his plans would involve ethnic cleansing.

    Hamas was democratically elected originally, but it never allowed another election, which is why Palestine is not a democracy any more.

    There is in fact strong evidence that the Israelis are not happy with their government or its policies and do not support what it’s doing. There is, in any case, more to democracy than just voting, and certainly more than having had a vote at some point in the past. ‘Democracy’, however defined, does not justify human rights atrocities.

    • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.ee
      15·
      2 months ago

      Stock markets do better under Democratic presidents, as a matter of fact, so if your main motivation is your stocks, you’re better off with Harris.

      I was simply providing a personal anecdote. I actyally do wanr harria not trumo but then again i dont get a vote.

      Trump isn’t promising a trade war with China, he’s planning a trade war with the entire rest of the world. This will make many people poorer, but especially Americans, because the taxes he’s proposing will be paid by Americans who rely on imported goods (which is pratically all of them, but especially the poorest). It will also make the rest of the world more reliant on China, so if that’s your issue, you should be opposed to his plans in this area.

      U guys need more industry to combat china and the growing global decent. If the cost of increasing ur and ur allies (me) industry is poorer poor people in ur country thats not really my problem. Why does it make the rest of the world more reliant on china u cannot propose an effect without justification of how its a result of the cause.

      The ethnic cleansing is his plan for mass deportations, which themselves would constitute ethnic cleansing. Combined with his assertions that it doesn’t matter if you’re a legal immigrant, it’s clear his plans would involve ethnic cleansing.

      If ur not a citizen and dont have a visa then u have no rights to stay. The courts wont let him deport legal immigrants but maybe legal immigrants are different to legal immigrants. Also if the forced removal (deportation) of people who are illegally in an area is ethnic clensing then ukraine forcfully removing Russians from their territory is ethnic cleansing. Ur take sounds like doublethink assuming u support ukraine.

      Hamas was democratically elected originally, but it never allowed another election, which is why Palestine is not a democracy any more.

      Sure. They still committed atrocities while they where a democraticly elected government tho.

      There is in fact strong evidence that the Israelis are not happy with their government or its policies and do not support what it’s doing. There is, in any case, more to democracy than just voting, and certainly more than having had a vote at some point in the past.

      I guess we will find out the next time the Israelis go vote.

      ‘Democracy’, however defined, does not justify human rights atrocities.

      Thats my point and why i brought up israel Palestine. Whatever ur opunion it forces you to aknowlege this fact.

      • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOP
        4·
        2 months ago

        If people can’t trade with Americe, due to Trump’s trade wars, they will become more reliant on the world’s other major industrial exporter, which is China. It will do nothing to improve manfacturing elsewhere, including in the US. The point of economic policy is to make people wealthier. If it makes them poorer, which you seem to acknowledge it will, it’s a bad policy.

        Fighting an invading force is not ethnic cleansing. I don’t know why you think it is.

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          12·
          2 months ago

          If people can’t trade with Americe, due to Trump’s trade wars, they will become more reliant on the world’s other major industrial exporter, which is China.

          Only people who are being tariffed

          It will do nothing to improve manfacturing elsewhere, including in the US.

          The point of a trade war is to apply taxes to imported goods thus giving local industry an oppertunity to compete with imports at a fair market price. Manufacturing in the western world costs more due to no slave labour worker protections etc, u tariff imports to account for this additional price that u dont pay for manufacturing in china etc. As America represents the interests of most of the western world this also means my countries goods we be more competitive in the american (and global western) market.

          The point of economic policy is to make people wealthier. If it makes them poorer, which you seem to acknowledge it will, it’s a bad policy.

          The point of economic policy is to improve the economy (not the people). American international evonomic policy is just as much about ensuring global security and the liberty we all enjoy. Poor people in the short term in exchange for many more jobs and actuall material goods being produced in the future is still the better decision.

          Fighting an invading force is not ethnic cleansing. I don’t know why you think it is.

          I dont think it is thats the point. How would u classify “invading force”? Cos some people would classify illegal immigrants as such so whats the difference?

          • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOP
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            2 months ago

            Only people who are being tariffed

            Per Trump’s plan, that’s everyone.

            The point of economic policy is to improve the economy (not the people)

            This is completely backwards. There’s no abstraction called the economy which doesn’t involve people.

            Cos some people would classify illegal immigrants as such so whats the difference?

            Those people are wrong.

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              12·
              2 months ago

              Per Trump’s plan, that’s everyone.

              Even Americas allies?

              This is completely backwards. There’s no abstraction called the economy which doesn’t involve people.

              It doesnt nessasarilly need to be all people tho. Just the educated and hard working ones. The economy doesnt need to give a fuck about the rest.

              Those people are wrong.

              Again one cannot simply assert something to be true, you must justify your argument. Whats the difference between an invading force and illegal immigrants?

              • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOP
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                2 months ago

                Yes, even America’s allies.

                If everyone in America’s prices go up, that’s bad for the economy. That’s what Trump is promising.

                I don’t need to explain to you the difference between someone staying where they are after their visa expires and an armed invasion of another country. The differences are manifest and anyone who says they don’t see them is lying.