The Moment of Truth
www.theatlantic.com
The reelection of Donald Trump would mark the end of George Washington’s vision for the presidency—and the United States.

I’m not a conservative myself, but I defy any conservative intending to vote for Donald Trump to read this comparison of Washington and Trump, and to honestly tell themselves afterwards that that they believe in America and its ideals.

  • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOP
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    2 months ago

    If people can’t trade with Americe, due to Trump’s trade wars, they will become more reliant on the world’s other major industrial exporter, which is China. It will do nothing to improve manfacturing elsewhere, including in the US. The point of economic policy is to make people wealthier. If it makes them poorer, which you seem to acknowledge it will, it’s a bad policy.

    Fighting an invading force is not ethnic cleansing. I don’t know why you think it is.

    • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.ee
      12·
      2 months ago

      If people can’t trade with Americe, due to Trump’s trade wars, they will become more reliant on the world’s other major industrial exporter, which is China.

      Only people who are being tariffed

      It will do nothing to improve manfacturing elsewhere, including in the US.

      The point of a trade war is to apply taxes to imported goods thus giving local industry an oppertunity to compete with imports at a fair market price. Manufacturing in the western world costs more due to no slave labour worker protections etc, u tariff imports to account for this additional price that u dont pay for manufacturing in china etc. As America represents the interests of most of the western world this also means my countries goods we be more competitive in the american (and global western) market.

      The point of economic policy is to make people wealthier. If it makes them poorer, which you seem to acknowledge it will, it’s a bad policy.

      The point of economic policy is to improve the economy (not the people). American international evonomic policy is just as much about ensuring global security and the liberty we all enjoy. Poor people in the short term in exchange for many more jobs and actuall material goods being produced in the future is still the better decision.

      Fighting an invading force is not ethnic cleansing. I don’t know why you think it is.

      I dont think it is thats the point. How would u classify “invading force”? Cos some people would classify illegal immigrants as such so whats the difference?

      • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOP
        41·
        2 months ago

        Only people who are being tariffed

        Per Trump’s plan, that’s everyone.

        The point of economic policy is to improve the economy (not the people)

        This is completely backwards. There’s no abstraction called the economy which doesn’t involve people.

        Cos some people would classify illegal immigrants as such so whats the difference?

        Those people are wrong.

        • 🇦🇺𝕄𝕦𝕟𝕥𝕖𝕕𝕔𝕣𝕠𝕔𝕕𝕚𝕝𝕖@lemm.ee
          12·
          2 months ago

          Per Trump’s plan, that’s everyone.

          Even Americas allies?

          This is completely backwards. There’s no abstraction called the economy which doesn’t involve people.

          It doesnt nessasarilly need to be all people tho. Just the educated and hard working ones. The economy doesnt need to give a fuck about the rest.

          Those people are wrong.

          Again one cannot simply assert something to be true, you must justify your argument. Whats the difference between an invading force and illegal immigrants?

          • frankPodmore@slrpnk.netOP
            2·
            2 months ago

            Yes, even America’s allies.

            If everyone in America’s prices go up, that’s bad for the economy. That’s what Trump is promising.

            I don’t need to explain to you the difference between someone staying where they are after their visa expires and an armed invasion of another country. The differences are manifest and anyone who says they don’t see them is lying.