• blunderworld
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    11 months ago

    Except Russia is the aggressor and Ukraine is fighting in self-defense. So yeah, fuck Putin.

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        11 months ago

        No. Fuck Russian leadership. Let’s make it clear, the aggression is Putin and his choices.

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          11 months ago

          and most of the russian people are supporting it…I wish it would be different, but even with more than a year into it, with all the sanctions, the deaths, the changed lifestyle, 2/3 of the russian population (rich, poor, countryside or towns) are supporting the russian leadership and the war…

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            11 months ago

            I’d claim support too if the alternative was jail.

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              11 months ago

              that’s too easy…the hate for all what is west is anchored deeply in the russian society. This country has been brainwashed for centuries.

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                11 months ago

                Keyword: brainwashed.

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                  still it was accepted by the russians for centuries…sorry this country could have put putin and his propaganda down but they decided against it, to keep their lifestyle…

                  I abhor russia for that.

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                11 months ago

                In a way, can you blame the average Russian for being afraid to speak out against leadership, whatever their personal feelings may be? Ever heard of Lenin? Stalin? The Romanovs? Political dissidents are not and never were treated kindly in Russia.

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                  11 months ago

                  yes I do!

                  I have friends who left russia or belarus for speaking out what they think of this perverted vision of russia! They did not held back and it’s the fault of the russian people that they have this leadership, because they rather accepted it for all the years instead rising against it!

                  Putin has all the power because not enough people fought him!

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                    11 months ago

                    If only all Russians were so brave. Not sure I would be in a country where you can be arrested for literally saying Two words.

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            Yes, this is due to propaganda, made and controlled by Russian leadership. There is no independent press or TV in Russia.

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            The average Russian isn’t to blame. Are many of them brainwashed? Yes, but that alone doesn’t make them evil. Also, I’m pretty sure you made up that 2/3 of Russians statistic.

            Don’t let the decisions of a handful of legacy-obsessed warmongers trick you into hating the population of an entire country.

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                11 months ago

                Did you even read the article you posted?

                According to the most recent ExtremeScan poll, support for the war fell 13% in one year — from 64% in March and April 2022 to 51% in April 2023. That is significant, but it’s clearly not enough to make the Putin regime tremble.  

                There is some greater light cast by other surveys, however. Russian Field found that only 27% of Russians support further military escalation while 34% want peace talks. Slightly confusingly, 33% favor both options at the same time. The trends are clear enough — backing for the war is on a slowly declining path and the issue is extremely divisive. More importantly, the reasons and justifications people use to make sense of the war have shifted.

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          11 months ago

          That’s a metric fuckton of Putin clones fighting in this war then.

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        11 months ago

        I hope him and every single one of his enablers take a ripe pineapple up the butt.