• aesthelete@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Not really. Democrats “idolized” their president so much they basically forced him out of the race for being too old. This applies to one side: Republicans.

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    On the one hand, strippers want you to give them your money because that’s why they’re there.

    On the other, it’s weird to pretend strippers aren’t real people with feelings who want to like and be liked in turn, just as much as anyone else.

    The cynical “Don’t idolize your politicians” line doesn’t teach people to read the tea leaves and pick better leadership. It just teaches them to throw up your hands and assume everyone is the same.

    At some level, you need to recognize strippers and politicians alike as complex humans with both material desires and higher ideals.

    Recognizing these desires and ideals helps you know who is worth your time and investment.

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      The cynical “Don’t idolize your politicians” line doesn’t teach people to read the tea leaves and pick better leadership. It just teaches them to throw up your hands and assume everyone is the same.

      Saying all politicians are the same just rewards the worst politicians because it means they face no electoral penalty for their failings, and the better ones gain no electoral advantage from not stooping to those lows.

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    7 days ago

    Not really. I don’t idolize ANY politicians and am happy to criticize even those I vote for when I think they aren’t doing it right. No Dem politician is selling $100k watches etc. because Dems won’t buy them.

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      Apparently, Trump is donating a bridge to all his ultra-platinum preferred choice diamond club voters. If I didn’t dump all my money in Trump’s amazing social media project (some say the best social media company ever), I’d be first up!

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        A miniscule tiny handful of people doesn’t count. There is a total K-hive number of Maga cult in every big city. Not even in the same ballpark.

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            6 days ago

            It’s not a problem because some small group of people online who are idolizing Kamala Harris aren’t going to turn violent and start a riot if she loses.

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            Look, I’m not trying to cause a stink here, I just don’t understand what you’re getting at. Are you implying that the amount of Kamala stans is comparable to the amount of Trump stans? Or are you saying that because you can find at least one zealot for each party, this does technically apply to both parties?

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                  Huh, looks like the account got nuked. I thought it was weird that it was a brand new account posting all kinds of cringe on political posts.

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                  To be fair, this was the kind of response I was expecting, I was just hoping to at least understand what they were going on about. Had to google sealioning, which is apparently repeatedly asking for proof while feigning politeness. I didn’t ask for proof, I just wanted them to clarify what they were saying and they still thought I was doing it, so I guess I should have been more rude?

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    “This applies to both sides” How very brave of you to call out the people who drive around with Harris trucks to Harris parties decked out in their Harris jackets and hats, trading AI generated pictures of sexy Harris.

    You know, those things that are real and really happen.

    Look dingbat, calling Trump and his ilk “weird” is not idolizing their opponents, it’s simply calling a spade a spade. If you’re too cowardly to stand up for what you believe in, don’t think trying to slip in a picture of a kitchen magnet is going to make it any better.

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      I buy all my Harris nfts with my Soros bucks they put on my vaxxine microchip every month.

      So easy to pay bills.

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      You could take this from the point of view that if people feel they are being attacked on their views they become defensive which makes a change in beliefs impossible.

      Do you just want to smear shit on these people, or do you want to affect change?

      The world has chosen smear shit.

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      How very brave of you to call out the people who drive around with Harris trucks to Harris parties decked out in their Harris jackets and hats, trading AI generated pictures of sexy Harris.

      KHive really did this shit back in 2020, though.

      Also, consider the case of Eric Adams, a man who was constantly self-promoting and a serial liar and grifter, who is now indicted on a litany of charges all stemming from his Style-Over-Substance administrative practice.

      calling Trump and his ilk “weird” is not idolizing their opponents, it’s simply calling a spade a spade

      Kamala is also a Weird Politician. She talks weird. She believes weird things. She supports weird policies in order to appease a conflicting morass of regional interests. She’s awkward and insincere and frighteningly nationalistic. Because that’s what running for high office requires.

      Practically everyone running for high office is. You have to be weird to think you should be President. It’s a weird thing to think. Delusional and megalomaniacal, given the powers of the office and the history of its occupants.

      If you’re too cowardly to stand up for what you believe in

      If people say what they sincerely believe, they risk saying things that are unpopular. You can’t run in a district of tens of millions of people (as a California AG or Ohio Senator must) and sound remotely unpopular. Your opposition will eat you alive.

      So you end up with this phony caricature of a personality, making blith naive statements that only sound good superficially.

      You come across as fake and weird because authentic and normal people won’t be popular enough to win an election.

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        I’m not sure if this is a “both sides” spiel or a “I hate politics because I’m really pretty conservative but know my actual positions are too unpopular to actually advocate in liberal America” take.

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          I’m not sure if this is a “both sides”

          This is a strategy employed by politicians to juice participation in their cohort. Turning the campaign into a consumer brand is not unique to the Republican Party. It’s also not historically very successful.

          my actual positions are too unpopular

          Candidate One: “If you like ice cream, you can eat it! I’m not here to tell you what to do.”

          Candidate Two: “Fresh vegetables are an important part of a diet. We need to make sure everyone has access to good nutrition, which is why the government should spend money to give people broccoli.”

          Who has the better policy? Who has the more popular opinion?

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    That’s an unfair comparison. On one hand you have the lowest of the low within society, someone willing to compromise any morality they might possess and sell themselves for a paltry sum of money, and on the other hand you have hard working strippers.

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    No one should be idolizing politicians. They work for their constituents.

    It’s one thing to buy a shirt or a cap, it’s another to make it part of your identity.

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      Even shirts and caps are questionable. I’ll make an exception for Obama because that was historic and his shit was actually cool.

      But all the rest of them, donate if you want, but wearing Harris or Trump in public is just cringe.

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    “this applies to both sides” -🤓

    Kamala is many things (most of them bad), a cult leader isn’t one of them. Im all for dunking on Liberals (im a leftist), but that is just factually untrue.