Libs will never forgive Joey Steel for saving the world from fascism stalin-cig

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    11 months ago

    I sincerely don’t understand how anyone can think they are helping the left by doing anticommunism. It doesn’t stand up to any critical thought at all, it functions solely to move things rightwards and reinforce the status quo.

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      11 months ago

      Propaganda is a hell of a drug, especially when you desperately want to believe that you’re with the Good Guys

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        11 months ago

        The weird thing for me, back when I was a college aged baby leftist in the early 10s, we all hated America, a lot, we just hated the “tankies” too. Saying “fuck America” was no controversial statement.

        Fast forward to now, the baby “leftists” of today seem way more defensive of the West and are openly hawkish. Like, I have my criticism of the anarchist movement back then but “NATO-Anarchism” wouldn’t have been a thing back then. The baby leftists of today are NeoCon Warhawks who like labor unions.

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          11 months ago

          I have the same experience as you. I think the difference is Trump and the increased polarization that started about when Obama was first elected. Liberals and demsocs felt safer to challenge the status quo when the status quo was ostensibly already leaning “left”. But then Trump got elected, and in the face of the extreme unity within the Republican Party behind Trump, the Democrats also had to push for extreme unity. And what this meant was severe rejection of anything other than the party line.

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            11 months ago

            Yeah, I think you’re pretty on point. The rise of Trump did lead a lot of baby leftists towards embracing the DNC out of fear.

            I suspect the rise of actual challenges to US hegemony contributed too. It’s easy to hate America when you know it has no serious challengers, you’re hate means nothing then. Now with a big scary superpower on the horizon, it gives you more incentive to embrace the status quo.

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              11 months ago

              Hence “scratch a liberal and and a fascist bleeds.” Only the slightest inconvenience reveals fake leftists. Turns out leftism isn’t just rounding up tips for food drives.

      • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        11 months ago

        especially when you desperately want to believe that you’re with the Good Guys

        I come back to this over and over again. It’s nationalism.

        Once they take the position of being citizens of the world, they know longer see it in this baby-brained good vs bad shit, where the good is the US (they’re all americans) or the general western empire. Once they’re internationalists they stop this shit and they gain intellectual curiosity to learn.

        • GarbageShoot [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          Once they take the position of being citizens of the world, they know longer see it in this baby-brained good vs bad shit, where the good is the US (they’re all americans) or the general western empire. Once they’re internationalists they stop this shit and they gain intellectual curiosity to learn.

          There are a lot of anarcho-bidenist types (like @[email protected] ) who consider themselves to oppose all the evil states including their own, declaring that they cannot be chauvinists because they disavow the US, while uncritically parroting State Department views on its enemies. That doesn’t matter to them because they are calling all entities involved “bad,” while some nebulous people are what is “good,” and these people must exist as a third camp to the feuds between the bad empires (don’t think too hard about what constitutes an empire, btw).

          Perhaps I am just free-associating, but I remember Engels talking about the Enlightenment (from the viewpoint of a liberal):

          Every form of society and government then existing, every old traditional notion, was flung into the lumber-room as irrational; the world had hitherto allowed itself to be led solely by prejudices; everything in the past deserved only pity and contempt. Now, for the first time, appeared the light of day, the kingdom of reason; henceforth superstition, injustice, privilege, oppression, were to be superseded by eternal truth, eternal Right, equality based on Nature and the inalienable rights of man.

          Engels is speaking in a somewhat different context, but you can see over and over a refusal to examine these “bad” entities more closely, to understand how they work and why they have survived except by the most generic gestures towards tyranny.

          • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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            There are a lot of anarcho-bidenist types (like @[email protected] ) who consider themselves to oppose all the evil states including their own, declaring that they cannot be chauvinists because they disavow the US, while uncritically parroting State Department views on its enemies. That doesn’t matter to them because they are calling all entities involved “bad,” while some nebulous people are what is “good,” and these people must exist as a third camp to the feuds between the bad empires (don’t think too hard about what constitutes an empire, btw).

            These ones are just liars.

            Engels is speaking in a somewhat different context, but you can see over and over a refusal to examine these “bad” entities more closely, to understand how they work and why they have survived except by the most generic gestures towards tyranny.

            It is again a rather religious behaviour. One that seems more like faith in a coming salvation rather than making salvation for themselves. Anyone actually trying to make salvation is to be rejected as not having the correct faith.

          • SunriseParabellum [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            There are a lot of anarcho-bidenist types (like @[email protected] ) who consider themselves to oppose all the evil states including their own, declaring that they cannot be chauvinists because they disavow the US, while uncritically parroting State Department views on its enemies. That doesn’t matter to them because they are calling all entities involved “bad,” while some nebulous people are what is “good,” and these people must exist as a third camp to the feuds between the bad empires (don’t think too hard about what constitutes an empire, btw).

            It’s easy to condemn everything when your alternative solution has like 0 chance of coming to fruition in your lifetime, if ever. It can just remain an uncomplicated idea in your head, never does it run the risk of going wrong, it’s a perfect idea and it makes you feel good for having it in your head.

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            11 months ago

            Lol at the mention. Biden is a useless American right winger. Disawowing that and chauvinism is a long way to suddenly frame me into a bidenist 😉

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                11 months ago

                Hey I get it. It’s hard to find a stereotype to someone who doesn’t fit. Send an honest dm some day if a person is more valuable than that show. In the meantime, I’m not the subject of this

                We have those who you speak of as well and they’re not that tough to spot or to mistake me as one.

                • GarbageShoot [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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                  11 months ago

                  Hey I get it. It’s hard to find a stereotype to someone who doesn’t fit

                  “I’m not like other leftcoms!” I don’t care, you aren’t special and I’ve heard your dogshit opinions a thousand times before from other ultras who also thought they were special. Your opinions on the enemies of the imperial core are still inherited from its mouthpieces. Disavowing the state while repeating its lies does not actually give you a pass.

                  Here’s a fun game: What do you think about Xinjiang?