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      Is it? They are bringing votes to a political party who is supporting a genocide where more than 40k people died so far, many of them are children.

      Imagine if they brought hundreds of thousands votes to a third party or imagine if they would use the same leverage to boycott private jets or discouraging consumerism.

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          If red and blue have both the blood of thousand innocents on their hands a good news would be a celebrity with millions of followers endorsing a third party

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            No, it would not. Because in your system, one party has wrestled control by gerrymandering. Any support funnelled away to a third party helps them immensely. But that’s obvious to anyone over 14.

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              Any support for third parties is a blow to red and blue. A celebrity with millions of followers endorsing a third party would shake politics. That’s why it’s not happening to begin with, if you don’t support the establishment and call them out you don’t make a career at hollywood

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        They are bringing votes to a political party who is supporting a genocide where more than 40k people died so far, many of them are children.

        It would be no different under the alternative administration. Probably worse actually. There is a very good reason that Iran created a plot to kill Trump and continues to hammer on influencing against Trump. https://www.npr.org/2024/07/16/nx-s1-5042424/trump-iran-plot

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          There aren’t two parties, if celebrities would endorse third parties perhaps you would hear about it

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            At the presidential level, there are in practical reality only two parties right now. Aside from the electoral realities, presidents also need to work with groups in congress, and only two parties are effectively present in congress. It sucks but it’s the reality we’re in. Now, this can change, but it needs to come from the bottom up via RCV and creating and enabling effective third+ parties at lower levels of government. Are you participating in your local and state level elections to enable creation of this necessary base of power and proof, or do you just run around online trying to find excuses to justify not voting? As for the choice we are faced with when it comes to Palestine, if you’ve been aware of this issue for more than the time it’s become a performative meme, then you’re well aware that there is a very real difference in the way the two parties enable Israeli crimes and merely by basic principles of harm reduction (because, at the end of the day, you should care about stopping as many people from being murdered as possible, not about signaling how wonderfully moral you are), it is very clear who is the more dangerous candidate.

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              it is very clear who is the more dangerous candidate.

              Indeed it is very clear that both red and blue are supporting this genocide and that third parties would be a better choice. A celebrity with millions of followers supporting a third party would be a good news.

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            Jill Stein is crawling out of her cave after her ritual 4 year rest between presidential elections

            If there was a 3rd party that actually did ground work to be viable, they might get a realistic amount of votes.

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              A celebrity with million of followers endorsing a third party would sure help that and it would be actually good news

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            Oh shit there are! Wow! /s

            If one of them could get to the 5% popular vote…yada yada. Yeah I know. 2016 was the closest they got in a long time. I voted 3rd party then because I’m in a deeply red state so it wasn’t a throw away vote or preventing the Dems from winning. They didn’t get there. I’m am very convinced at this point you must fix the voting system before 3rd parties have any viability. FPTP is outdated at this point and the added layer of the EC is doing more harm than good now. It was a good idea for a different time, but today is different and the system should evolve. RCV/IRV has shown very clear benefits to enable more than 2 options to be viable on a ballot.

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              Red and blue parties have both blood on their hands, there’s a genocide going on in israel right now where thousand of innocent kids are being murdered. The best time to vote them out is now. If pop stars and celebrities would start endorsing third parties politics would flip. Taylor swift is not going to do that because her views well align with the current rigged establishment that favors corporations and rich peope.