I’m not talking about the consumption of animals here, to be clear. What I’m talking about is spending days and a bunch of money planning to kill something, doing the killing, and skinning/eviscerating what was killed, and often displaying the stuffed corpse. Hunters and fishers refuse to admit they’re obsessed with taking pleasure in killing something.

Miss me with the “tradition” stuff, it’s just peer pressure from the dead and a fallacious argument. Don’t tell me it’s to eat, like I said, I’m not talking about the consumption here, so please prove to me you are literate by not bringing up that point. And don’t tell me you’re respectful to the animals you kill; I don’t believe the planning, stalking, and killing is a good way to show respect.

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    Damn, dude, not every hunter is a deer population manager.

    Hunters do hunting, surgeons try and heal people. In one the killing is the point and in the other the cutting in incidental.

    Avoiding factory farmed animals but still eating animals is something a lot of people say to pat themselves on the back, but I don’t buy it.

    Anyway, I can see this is a really personal thing to you and you’re really upset by it. Don’t think too much about why you get defensive about it, though, or why you have to carve out exceptions to try and make it less creepy.

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      Every single hunter in my country is, as they won’t get a hunting license otherwise.

      I understand that hunting culture and cultural values aren’t the same everywhere, which is something you seem to be having trouble with.

      I don’t know a single “trophy-hunter”, because I’m from a small village in which deer hunting (ie deer management) was big, and “trophy-hunting” was something you’d see Americans doing on TV.

      It’s a really personal thing to you. You’re insulting people, calling them murderers and saying they fantasise about murdering, because you don’t understand what you’re talking about. You have some sort of a blood sport in your head, when the hunters I know are some of the kindest people I’ve ever met. And even they sometimes have trouble with killing, believe it or not. My dad was a hunter. He quit around the time I was born, because they accidentally felled the mother of two calves, which isn’t allowed. He never hunted anything afterwards, but ate a ton of meat. So the meat he used to get from hunting, free-range, cruelty free, now came from industrialised farms. Do you think that was a change for the better?

      This is making you really upset, because you’re not used to people challenging your simpleminded philosophy, which breaks down at the slightest push.

      I’m the one pointing out these are normal people, you’re the one foaming at the mouth about “murder fantasies”.

      You still refuse to answer the question of whether you think all plumbers constantly imagine scat-porn scenarios? Because that’s what your logic would mean.

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      Telling him is personal to him is hilarious. It’s so clear you are butthurt about having a horrible opinion.

      All he’s doing is explaining in a clear and concise tone why your assumptions are wrong.

      You clearly cannot handle this, have nothing to refute him, so you attack him. Classic stuff right there.