I don’t think it’s backwards, I think we have different points. I see issues on the other end of things that your point makes that are not resolved. If you can gather enough people, that doesn’t make a given retribution just anymore than not being able to gather enough to do so makes it unjust. You can’t have it both ways where popularity validates some things without invalidating others. Come up with a better criteria, please.

If you aren’t willing to be violent over something you shouldn’t be able to send a cop to be violent for you.

That seems to exclude anybody incapable of violence, whether physically, mentally, or socially. Physically is easy enough to understand. Mentally, abuse victims come to mind. One of the ugly things about abuse is the victim will often internalize the abuser’s viewpoint and think the abuse is deserved. Socially, I have known victims of sexual assault that didn’t want to accuse the perpetrator because they expected the social group they shared to side with the perpetrator. If I don’t like heights or are otherwise disabled, should I not be able to hire a roofer? (I get this metaphor isn’t perfect, the metaphor isn’t the idea.)

Priorities have very little to do with ignorance. Let’s try a different example that has a little more nuance than the church one and happens too often in the real world: touching somebody’s wheelchair without the their consent to “help” them. The person transgressing views themselves as considering the priorities of the person in the wheelchair. This is a problem of ignorance, not priorities. The person in the wheelchair should not have to deal with this let alone try to convince, educate, or care about how the other person feels or what they intended. That is the onus you expect of people that don’t share your opinions, to coddle/educate/etc you because you view your intentions as Right or Good or whatever. They don’t want the interaction and you think you have the right to force them into it. It’s the epitome of egotism. Anybody that disagrees gets labeled as as being in an echo chamber.

Your response to the comment about people is nitpicking. Changing individuals doesn’t provide a good ROI. Expecting them to do so on their own is wishful thinking. It isn’t a difficult solution; it is an impossible one.

Overall, you’re contrary and like arguing more than looking for better ideas. I think I get why you’re having difficulties with mods. I’m done, too. You have no intent to listen or learn. If that’s incorrect, prove it to the next person, not me.

Thank you!

What’s the reference? I tried thinking of songs that would fit but all I came up with was Toto’s Rosanna.

I don’t think you understood what I meant by education. No amount of priority shuffling (whatever that means) is going to teach a person why what they’ve done is a transgression. You didn’t really answer that in any meaningful way.

I find it interesting that you think some places need debate while acknowledging people react badly to it, especially if done poorly.

If a solution just requires everybody to change, it’s not a solution.

I think that communities don’t have to be for debate. Trying to force that seems fairly hostile to me.

Figuring out which slights are intentional or not is exhausting, unrewarding work and it’s absolutely easier to assume all of them are hostile. I’m ok with that. There is little value to a user you have to scrutinize and maybe, just maybe, they’re only ignorant and in need of education that you’re going to have to provide and maybe, just maybe, they’ll accept the lesson. Compared to a user that is clearly on board with a given community and how it’s run, it becomes a pretty easy choice.

I’ve been banned from a bunch of keto communities for downvotes. I’m definitely not there intended audience and was only seeing things via my everything view. They banned me, I blocked those communities. That’s fine. The only thing that even slightly bothers me is that it might skew their place on such an everything view and seems vote manipulation adjacent.

No, they were not directly involved and no, pimping minors was not proven in court. Money laundering and conspiracy to facilitate prostitution were the charges that stuck. In fact, prosecutors claiming they were involved in child sex trafficking caused a mistrial https://apnews.com/article/business-trials-3b1c9d3e59e90cd60764b3eb989fec80

The point is not about what they did or didn’t do, it’s that if you try to go outside the system you get hammered.

That’s what Backpage tried to do when the cc processors pulled out. The owners of Backpage were at some point charged with money laundering among many many other crimes. The years of legal battles that started in 2018 drove one of them to suicide. Would not recommend.

A tradition alive and well in certain groups of adults.

In the same vein, podcasts. With books if I’m not paying close attention I can miss important things, but with podcasts they’re generally on the same topic for an hour.

Found a game I own has text and audio in my target language, so it’s been a bit more fun this week. The vocab might not be so useful, but I’m getting use out of the words and their pronunciation being together.

If you are not expected, you are not welcome. I don’t answer unexpected knocks anymore.

Omg it’s treatable. How do you die from it? Or did the person die via the insurance system?

In a Japanese language course, students were assigned native speaker penpals. I had asked some pretty boring questions in the first letter like how old are you, what are your hobbies, etc. The teacher proofread the letters before we sent them. The feedback I got: you really don’t need to ask what nationality they are, there’s only one country that uses Japanese. I turned beet red on that one.

Have you seen the standard for cops? It’s almost as low as priests. Screw up somewhere, just get yourself shuffled to another place if things haven’t blown over by the time your paid leave is up.

Yes, satire military propaganda. They also didn’t actually bring aliens on set. The aliens have a union and demanded pay that’s way too high for the budget.

Can’t let those boobs ruin the violence and military propaganda for the children.

Just make it well enough that you don’t mind if it stays up for a bit.

Idiotectomies required the subject’s corporation for the best results. Hanneman’s (Journal of Medical Ethics, June 2017) breakthrough, illustrated here, uses bomb glasses to increase compliance. It is rare the fuse needs to be lit, but a lighter should be kept in plain view of the subject as both reminder and enforcement if necessary.