That’s also the 40 years of conservative goverments fault, you should very much care that the long term plan to privatize Healthcare and fleece the public for every penny they can is finally coming to fruition.
Albertans are proudly and stupidly giving up more and more rights as Canadians everyday, hellbent on burning away every hard earned penny to con artists.
Can’t stop em though, the whole system has been carefully paved to streamline idiots into handing their hard earned money over to snakes proudly and intentionally.
For people rich enough to be covered, that’s the part you’re missing in that simplified analysis.
Funny how we’re looking at the countries with the most equality and where people are the happiest and our reaction is “How about we move in the opposite direction instead?”
The countries where people are the happiest and where there’s the most socioeconomic equality are northern European ones and they all offer a ton of social services but instead we look at the USA where everything is shit if you don’t have the means to pay for it and we’re thinking “Damn, that looks awesome!”
You’re completely mistaken if you think the US model is the solution - you have it completely backwards. The US has one of the highest healthcare costs in the world with WORSE healthcare outcomes. They have the highest spending per capita in the OECD. Also, higher mortality at birth, lower life expectancy, etc. In no uncertain terms, the US pays more for less, and this has been extensively studied and is why any sane government wants to avoid that model.
You think you’ll be getting more? How do you think the shareholders will get paid? Do you think doctors and nurses will cost less in the private system? Will private companies negotiate with pharma to lower drug prices, or just add 20% on top?
I suspect you haven’t thought this through, and are letting your anger lead you to the wrong conclusion. Maybe you could try voting for someone else (and convincing your friends and family to do the same) for the next election.
In Canada, we spend about $8k on healthcare each year per person. This is mostly taxes, but also partly co-pays and private employer insurance.
America spends about $14k per person.
In both the USA and Canada, about 28% of government spending goes to healthcare. In the US that means about ~6k in total government budget from your tax dollars is spent on healthcare, while in Canada it’s about ~7K.
The difference is that the average american also pays an additional $8K in their own after-tax dollars from their pockets in insurance and direct-billing for services.
And for the privilege of paying nearly twice as much, the Americans have a life expectancy of 6 years less than Canadians (76.3 vs 82.6)
yes, you are a liar, we already established that. One of my friends served in the american military for decades… and yes, hes made it REALLY clear what he thinks of them now.
You will care when you have some heart pain, and a $194,000 hospital bill. Which would bankrupt 98% of UCP voters. That’s the part I can’t wrap my head around. You haven’t paid for shit when it comes to health care.
I work with Americans every day. One just went and had a baby and got a $19k hospital bill for the privilege. Copay this and copay that.
I’ve not had health insurance in 8 years. Alberta won’t issue a card if you’ve no fixed address, and I’m a stubborn trucker with a mail box. I’ve sure paid for it though. The tax rates are insane.
So your favorite solution to that isn’t to fix that issue, it’s to privatize healthcare so you need to have private insurance instead? How do you think that will go, Mr I don’t have a fixed address? Why do you want to make sure more people have to deal with the same issue you’ve got?
Eh… So… About that first bit… I’ve got bad news for you buddy if you think that privatized healthcare is great and you think that Americans don’t pay way too much for it.
The US government is the one that pays the most per capita for healthcare, what everyone pays in taxes for healthcare is only used to cover about a third of the population, that means the rest also needs to pay for private insurance as well or they’re not covered at all and pay out of pocket when they need to go to the hospital.
Life expectancy, child death, death during labour, look at the stats, the US is worse than some very poor countries that offer healthcare for everyone.
Hell, if you pay taxes in Alberta then I’ve got news for you buddy, you’re paying fuck dick for healthcare. You’re ready to pay for private insurance in the USA instead of paying rent somewhere for a few months to have an address or finding someone that lets you use their address in order to apply for Alberta coverage? All that tells me is that you’re not one that lets logic get in their way!
I already have American insurance. Spend half my time there. I’m not in the habit of lying, it’s a pride thing. If I ever get hurt I’ll just cry to the cbc about it
Look at all these people making thr same tired fallacious arguments like they’ve been trained, bud. I’m not sure they’re even real people. Rag on Americans, bring up Scandinavian happiness, pretend out system works out of misguided patriotism, and ignore how I mentioned Mexico too.
Congratulations, under privatized/american style healthcare, you wouldn’t have health insurance, would pay more tax to the government for said lack of healthcare, AND if anything happens, you will have to pay 10x more! WOO, worst of both worlds!
Right, of course that’s your go to. The fact that the tax paid by the average american for healthcare is higher than the Canadian, or that they keep pushing for a single payer is of course a globalist psy-op.
Or, you know, the american health care system sucks unless you are paying huge amounts for insurance…
Oh ok, so you’re a homeowner in Saskatchewan but you’re complaining that you can’t get insurance in a province you don’t reside in? And you own a house after moving out of another province but you don’t live in it? And I guess you didn’t think that it might be a good idea to get coverage from the province where you own a house since it will work everywhere in Canada anyway… I nstead your thought process was that it would be at good idea to pay for both public healthcare through your Canadian taxes AND private coverage in the USA? I get that right?
Sounds to me like someone has been lying a lot to try and prove their point! How about building your opinions on facts for a change? Because right now either you’re building a big pile of lies or you’re the kind of person that doesn’t let logic get in their way!
I’m not discussing my finances with you to any great detail, or reading that mess. I own a home I don’t reside in, in another province, and that is a recent development as opposed to working in Alberta as a trucker 7 years with no health card.
So… You were living in Vancouver until 6 years ago but have been uninsured for 8 years but have started working as a trucker in Alberta 7 years ago and you now own a house in Saskatchewan but you don’t live in it but you brag about owning it while also saying in other comments that you want to move to the USA…
So you could be covered under BC health until 6 years ago because you lived in BC (but decided to not be covered two years prior) and you own a house in Saskatchewan since not too long ago so you could be insured in that province but decide not to be for some reason…
Man, I’m not a detective but it sure does sound like you just got caught in a bunch of lies right there!
I hate how we are sleep walking towards privatized health care. And to do it via faith based health care is just disgusting.
Couldn’t care less. We’ve been paying though the nose to die on waiting lists.
That’s also the 40 years of conservative goverments fault, you should very much care that the long term plan to privatize Healthcare and fleece the public for every penny they can is finally coming to fruition.
Albertans are proudly and stupidly giving up more and more rights as Canadians everyday, hellbent on burning away every hard earned penny to con artists.
Can’t stop em though, the whole system has been carefully paved to streamline idiots into handing their hard earned money over to snakes proudly and intentionally.
SMH
I’m tired of paying more for less. I travel a lot. Despite all the propaganda, the Americans amd Mexicans have much better systems.
For people rich enough to be covered, that’s the part you’re missing in that simplified analysis.
Funny how we’re looking at the countries with the most equality and where people are the happiest and our reaction is “How about we move in the opposite direction instead?”
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The countries where people are the happiest and where there’s the most socioeconomic equality are northern European ones and they all offer a ton of social services but instead we look at the USA where everything is shit if you don’t have the means to pay for it and we’re thinking “Damn, that looks awesome!”
I like how you even downvoted this.
You unironically thinks the US has a better Healthcare system than us?
Cringe.
You’re completely mistaken if you think the US model is the solution - you have it completely backwards. The US has one of the highest healthcare costs in the world with WORSE healthcare outcomes. They have the highest spending per capita in the OECD. Also, higher mortality at birth, lower life expectancy, etc. In no uncertain terms, the US pays more for less, and this has been extensively studied and is why any sane government wants to avoid that model.
Extensively studied by governmemt propaganda outfits while Canadians that don’t want to die raise money and head to Rochester
“anything I disagree with is government propaganda”
Ever noticed IRL everyone hates this fucking system but on the internet you clowns act like it’s integral to your identity?
no
Must be hard work writing these low-effort 1 liner troll comments in every thread. Hope you’re getting paid for it because otherwise… well…
Goof
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Says the individual who refuses to substantiate their claims.
You think you’ll be getting more? How do you think the shareholders will get paid? Do you think doctors and nurses will cost less in the private system? Will private companies negotiate with pharma to lower drug prices, or just add 20% on top?
I suspect you haven’t thought this through, and are letting your anger lead you to the wrong conclusion. Maybe you could try voting for someone else (and convincing your friends and family to do the same) for the next election.
In Canada, we spend about $8k on healthcare each year per person. This is mostly taxes, but also partly co-pays and private employer insurance.
America spends about $14k per person.
In both the USA and Canada, about 28% of government spending goes to healthcare. In the US that means about ~6k in total government budget from your tax dollars is spent on healthcare, while in Canada it’s about ~7K.
The difference is that the average american also pays an additional $8K in their own after-tax dollars from their pockets in insurance and direct-billing for services.
And for the privilege of paying nearly twice as much, the Americans have a life expectancy of 6 years less than Canadians (76.3 vs 82.6)
oof, just absolute oof.
You would have to pay me a LOT of money to move to the USA, primarily because of how bad their healthcare is.
You’ve never noticed when Americans take jobs up in Canada, they usually say “fuck this noise” and head home within a year?
No, can’t say I have.
Have several friends who came from the states. The general consensus seems to be more “thank god I escaped there”
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yes, you are a liar, we already established that. One of my friends served in the american military for decades… and yes, hes made it REALLY clear what he thinks of them now.
But dont let the truth hurt your feelings.
You will care when you have some heart pain, and a $194,000 hospital bill. Which would bankrupt 98% of UCP voters. That’s the part I can’t wrap my head around. You haven’t paid for shit when it comes to health care.
I work with Americans every day. One just went and had a baby and got a $19k hospital bill for the privilege. Copay this and copay that.
Careful what you wish for.
I’ve not had health insurance in 8 years. Alberta won’t issue a card if you’ve no fixed address, and I’m a stubborn trucker with a mail box. I’ve sure paid for it though. The tax rates are insane.
So your favorite solution to that isn’t to fix that issue, it’s to privatize healthcare so you need to have private insurance instead? How do you think that will go, Mr I don’t have a fixed address? Why do you want to make sure more people have to deal with the same issue you’ve got?
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Eh… So… About that first bit… I’ve got bad news for you buddy if you think that privatized healthcare is great and you think that Americans don’t pay way too much for it.
The US government is the one that pays the most per capita for healthcare, what everyone pays in taxes for healthcare is only used to cover about a third of the population, that means the rest also needs to pay for private insurance as well or they’re not covered at all and pay out of pocket when they need to go to the hospital.
Life expectancy, child death, death during labour, look at the stats, the US is worse than some very poor countries that offer healthcare for everyone.
Hell, if you pay taxes in Alberta then I’ve got news for you buddy, you’re paying fuck dick for healthcare. You’re ready to pay for private insurance in the USA instead of paying rent somewhere for a few months to have an address or finding someone that lets you use their address in order to apply for Alberta coverage? All that tells me is that you’re not one that lets logic get in their way!
I already have American insurance. Spend half my time there. I’m not in the habit of lying, it’s a pride thing. If I ever get hurt I’ll just cry to the cbc about it
“I’m not in the habit of lying” he lied.
Yah your ‘not’ brainwashed. Sure their bud.
Look at all these people making thr same tired fallacious arguments like they’ve been trained, bud. I’m not sure they’re even real people. Rag on Americans, bring up Scandinavian happiness, pretend out system works out of misguided patriotism, and ignore how I mentioned Mexico too.
So, start making arguments that are based in fact that refute what they are saying. I see a lot of comments by you but nothing of substance.
Sources buddy, show us we’re wrong with sources.
Congratulations, under privatized/american style healthcare, you wouldn’t have health insurance, would pay more tax to the government for said lack of healthcare, AND if anything happens, you will have to pay 10x more! WOO, worst of both worlds!
You don’t know how anything works, but don’t let that stop you.
Right, of course that’s your go to. The fact that the tax paid by the average american for healthcare is higher than the Canadian, or that they keep pushing for a single payer is of course a globalist psy-op.
Or, you know, the american health care system sucks unless you are paying huge amounts for insurance…
A mail box? Funny, your house is paid for
https://lemmy.ca/comment/8288715
Yeah I bought a house in Saskatchewan. I dont live in it. You sure got me though.
Oh ok, so you’re a homeowner in Saskatchewan but you’re complaining that you can’t get insurance in a province you don’t reside in? And you own a house after moving out of another province but you don’t live in it? And I guess you didn’t think that it might be a good idea to get coverage from the province where you own a house since it will work everywhere in Canada anyway… I nstead your thought process was that it would be at good idea to pay for both public healthcare through your Canadian taxes AND private coverage in the USA? I get that right?
Sounds to me like someone has been lying a lot to try and prove their point! How about building your opinions on facts for a change? Because right now either you’re building a big pile of lies or you’re the kind of person that doesn’t let logic get in their way!
I’m not discussing my finances with you to any great detail, or reading that mess. I own a home I don’t reside in, in another province, and that is a recent development as opposed to working in Alberta as a trucker 7 years with no health card.
So… You were living in Vancouver until 6 years ago but have been uninsured for 8 years but have started working as a trucker in Alberta 7 years ago and you now own a house in Saskatchewan but you don’t live in it but you brag about owning it while also saying in other comments that you want to move to the USA…
So you could be covered under BC health until 6 years ago because you lived in BC (but decided to not be covered two years prior) and you own a house in Saskatchewan since not too long ago so you could be insured in that province but decide not to be for some reason…
Man, I’m not a detective but it sure does sound like you just got caught in a bunch of lies right there!