It’s not impossible to show people they’re in the wrong. Often, I’d argue even for most, it’s just a matter of time and the individual being exposed to direct consequences.
I’m a little confused by your reply? I’m not saying all republicans are bad, I’m strictly talking about maga republicans. They refuse to acknowledge facts and label them as fake news the minute it conflicts with their world view. I’ve tried having discussions with maga on Reddit and it would always dissolve into “that’s fake news! They’re trying to paint Trump in a bad light!”. The last one I talked to was u/illidari_extremist (he’s also a raging racist who blames black people for his life) and when I presented him with video evidence of Trump saying he would date a 10 year old in 10 years he ended up calling it a fake video and blocked me.
You can try to talk to them but I’m done. I’d rather put my time and effort into talking with people who are not in a cult or have a cult mentality.
I’ll sometimes still engage that kind of idiot. It’s not about convincing them they are wrong, but having the contradictory evidence directly alongside their crazy claims. Someone else that’s been living under a rock for the past… decade (fucking hell) might not be sucked in by the crazy.
Remember, the vast majority of Americans have NO POLITICAL PREFERENCE. There is a nearly infinite market of people to be convinced for one side or the other.
You don’t even have to have been living under a rock, people are born all the time and people develop at different rates which means there are constantly people at different stages of mental growth and constantly people learning things for the first time. Everybody had to learn the things that they know but a lot of people seem to forget that just because they have learned something, it doesn’t mean everyone else has.
And you know, it’s valid if you wanna switch course.
I think it’s alright to take breaks but that ideology of “I give up with these people” can be addictive for some and I just wanted to make the contrary view available for people to see too.
Education is ultimately key. You can use their tactics against them too sometimes. Don’t forget maga morons do botnets and stuff too. There’s lots of ways to combat the fascist!
One thing to remember is a lot of these people would need literal cult deprogramming, which while possible, is not likely in their cases because… who’s going to do it? Why would they bother to sit through it?
This would be ‘intervention’ levels of requirement, so there are some people who are, for all practical purposes, out of reach.
I totally agree. I don’t think adults should be without education programs if I’m being honest. Businesses usually prefer cert programs which require continuing education to prove historical and continual knowledge, why not do this with adults? I think the media could easily do this if they were somehow incentivized to broadcast more educational material in a relatable way to adults.
Knowledge it power, why are we stopping/hindering adults from continually growing? I see 4 day work weeks work so well elsewhere - that’s another thing. Idk man, the planets burning too… we have so many problems facing us ahead I just wanna make sure I can do what I can
Knowledge it power, why are we stopping/hindering adults from continually growing?
Often it’s intentional. The Republican party in the US is notorious for this, the insistence they keep their constituents ignorant (and let’s be clear, there are far more people who are ignorant than stupid in this situation.)
Here in Canada there’s a very strong ‘anti-science’ theme coming from the Right that has caught on. Often Conservative voters, when asked about policy, completely agree with, say the NDP or Liberal platform, but not when they hear the party name.
It’s been shown time and again that people who vote conservatively are more easily swayed with fake news/obfuscation/Russian garbage, so as a society we have to be extra vigilant of it.
It’s different for everyone, but some people will only admit they’re wrong to compassionate people.
People will fight their enemies, but they’re willing to let their guard down among friends.
I think that’s one of the reasons why MLK Jr got killed. His enemies didn’t know how to fight him or his beliefs. He forced people to view each other as humans and that’s a tough pill to swallow for people who don’t have a capacity to give or ask for forgiveness.
I don’t think we have to tolerate those people though either.
It’s called the paradox of intolerance and was pretty simply solved:
Tolerance is a contract. If someone isn’t participating, you do not have to participate with them.
In fact, I think that being tolerant to the intolerant is akin to being complicit. Who would want to tolerate people who are disrespecting your established cultural norms of freedom and tolerance??
Disrespectful + anti American + dated + impedes progress
What’s with this defeatist shit?
It’s not impossible to show people they’re in the wrong. Often, I’d argue even for most, it’s just a matter of time and the individual being exposed to direct consequences.
I’m a little confused by your reply? I’m not saying all republicans are bad, I’m strictly talking about maga republicans. They refuse to acknowledge facts and label them as fake news the minute it conflicts with their world view. I’ve tried having discussions with maga on Reddit and it would always dissolve into “that’s fake news! They’re trying to paint Trump in a bad light!”. The last one I talked to was u/illidari_extremist (he’s also a raging racist who blames black people for his life) and when I presented him with video evidence of Trump saying he would date a 10 year old in 10 years he ended up calling it a fake video and blocked me.
You can try to talk to them but I’m done. I’d rather put my time and effort into talking with people who are not in a cult or have a cult mentality.
I’ll sometimes still engage that kind of idiot. It’s not about convincing them they are wrong, but having the contradictory evidence directly alongside their crazy claims. Someone else that’s been living under a rock for the past… decade (fucking hell) might not be sucked in by the crazy.
Bingo. They’re filling the lake with shit and piss, you pump in more chlorine.
Remember, the vast majority of Americans have NO POLITICAL PREFERENCE. There is a nearly infinite market of people to be convinced for one side or the other.
You don’t even have to have been living under a rock, people are born all the time and people develop at different rates which means there are constantly people at different stages of mental growth and constantly people learning things for the first time. Everybody had to learn the things that they know but a lot of people seem to forget that just because they have learned something, it doesn’t mean everyone else has.
And you know, it’s valid if you wanna switch course.
I think it’s alright to take breaks but that ideology of “I give up with these people” can be addictive for some and I just wanted to make the contrary view available for people to see too.
Education is ultimately key. You can use their tactics against them too sometimes. Don’t forget maga morons do botnets and stuff too. There’s lots of ways to combat the fascist!
One thing to remember is a lot of these people would need literal cult deprogramming, which while possible, is not likely in their cases because… who’s going to do it? Why would they bother to sit through it?
This would be ‘intervention’ levels of requirement, so there are some people who are, for all practical purposes, out of reach.
I totally agree. I don’t think adults should be without education programs if I’m being honest. Businesses usually prefer cert programs which require continuing education to prove historical and continual knowledge, why not do this with adults? I think the media could easily do this if they were somehow incentivized to broadcast more educational material in a relatable way to adults.
Knowledge it power, why are we stopping/hindering adults from continually growing? I see 4 day work weeks work so well elsewhere - that’s another thing. Idk man, the planets burning too… we have so many problems facing us ahead I just wanna make sure I can do what I can
Often it’s intentional. The Republican party in the US is notorious for this, the insistence they keep their constituents ignorant (and let’s be clear, there are far more people who are ignorant than stupid in this situation.)
Here in Canada there’s a very strong ‘anti-science’ theme coming from the Right that has caught on. Often Conservative voters, when asked about policy, completely agree with, say the NDP or Liberal platform, but not when they hear the party name.
It’s been shown time and again that people who vote conservatively are more easily swayed with fake news/obfuscation/Russian garbage, so as a society we have to be extra vigilant of it.
It’s different for everyone, but some people will only admit they’re wrong to compassionate people.
People will fight their enemies, but they’re willing to let their guard down among friends.
I think that’s one of the reasons why MLK Jr got killed. His enemies didn’t know how to fight him or his beliefs. He forced people to view each other as humans and that’s a tough pill to swallow for people who don’t have a capacity to give or ask for forgiveness.
I don’t think we have to tolerate those people though either.
It’s called the paradox of intolerance and was pretty simply solved:
Tolerance is a contract. If someone isn’t participating, you do not have to participate with them.
In fact, I think that being tolerant to the intolerant is akin to being complicit. Who would want to tolerate people who are disrespecting your established cultural norms of freedom and tolerance??
Disrespectful + anti American + dated + impedes progress