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    Fred Trump was born in New York, Mary Anne MacLeod was born in Scotland. It was Trump’s Granddad, Frederick who immigrated from Bavaria.

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    Trump’s parents are old enough to be Kamala’s grandparents and are therefore from the time when immigrants were good (white).

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      And from the time when German immigrants were… well… a lot more racist.

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        Exactly, they were not white. Neither were Italians or Eastern Europeans or basically anyone except the English, Scandinavians, and a handful of Germans. Amazing that isn’t it? Almost like race is a completely made up and bullshit thing.

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          It’s certainly an odd concept the more you think about it, especially because of how relatively recent it is (only a few hundred years). Before that, discrimination was based on culture and education. Ancient Greeks called outsiders barbaroi not because of their appearance but because their languages didn’t sound as sophisticated as Greek. Romans had multiple African emperors and it was a non-issue because they were culturally sophisticated and spoke good Latin.

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        Doesn’t that get retconned as “good, actually” when the arbitrary definition of whiteness expands to include them (because the racists don’t have enough power without)? Repubs claim Southern Strategy never happened while voting for an overt Obama birther racist. They don’t give a single fuck about historical accuracy.

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      Anecdotally, in Ohio yes, plenty of people I know hold the belief that if your parents or grandparents were immigrants, you can’t be president. Which is of course why they had a problem with “Barack Hussein Obama” (they always have to add emphasis on the middle name for some reason) and had nothing to do with him being black.

      It’s mental gymnastics all the way down, I stopped trying to understand.

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          Personally, I think it’s partly that, partly just the knee-jerk “OMG THAT’S A MOOSE-LIMB NAME REEE” they feel when they hear any sort of foreign sounding name that has any vague “middle eastern” sound to it.

          And of course the actual origin of names doesn’t matter, I’ve seen plenty of people assume traditional celtic or even scandanavian names are “from Africa”

          Both points summed up: racism

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              No joke, the first time I ever heard my mother say anything about a politician, it was “Huh. Sounds like Osama…”

              Of course her entire worldview is religion based, so no surprise how she votes.

              And of course all the small town Bible belt highschoolers would say “Obama Bin-Laden” like they were just oh-so-clever.

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    Technically only his mother was an immigrant, born in Scotland. His father was born in the US.

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      Both trumps grandparents were german immigrants

      Father was german heritage, blood, ancestry. Just born in USA. Didn’t think american’s counted that these days

      German Grandfather + German Grandmother -> Father (Fred) born in the US. Full “german blood”.

      mother was scottish heritage, blood, ancestry. Born in scotland. Literally not american

      Scottish Grandfather + Scottish Grandmother -> Mother (Mary) born in Scotland. Full “Scottish blood”.

      Trump is a mix of german and scottish heritage. Literally zero american heritage except his dad happened to be born in the USA.

      But I thought republicans hated immigrants? 🤔