There are some Catholics that are reactionary morons but the majority are not. Describing religions by the worst people in them doesn’t really come across as tolerant. Which ironically is what you’re accusing them of.
The whole catholic doctrine is fundamentally flawed and incompatible with progressive world. I am not very tolerant of it at all. I can’t tolerate bullshit
This isn’t some high horse I am trying to ride but a pragmatic approach vs something that is fundamentally against me.
I don’t pretend I have the keys to the only true and ultimate best way of life but I am simply pragmatic in my war against that which hates me.
If I was POC I would fundamentally hate Klu Klux Klan out of innate will to survive. This is very similar. I don’t get to pick sides or have a luxury of tolerance here.
Similarly with so called right wing nationalism. I don’t have any choice other than to keep battling against them on sea, land and air. Even literally so if needed. My loyalty to my kin is unwavering and I would be willing to die for them if it was necessary. Thankfully it isn’t. However I am ready. Believe me.
The current struggle however requires different action. Drastically lowering influence of Catholic Church is very important objective we must secure. As the influence of it wanes, so our freedom increases. One day we will see the world we fight for, where no one has to fear to be themselves.
Luckily, it is not very hard to expose various CC pedophilic affairs which severely undermines public support for this institution. It has decreased here to 60% from 80% in 3 years and the churches are rapidly emptying thanks to the brave and brilliant journalists.
There are also those that view me as some political ideology, a choice so to say. However this couldn’t be further from the truth. My identity is the same as race or the colour of hair I was born with. To deem it a choice is fundamentally a hostile action to my very existence which will of course be met with appropriate reaction as needed out of the necessity for survival.
Religion is a choice, even politics (though not always as you can see). Who you are isn’t a choice it is simply a fundamental right that needs to be won in a war if needed the same way ethnic groups fight for the rights to exist in peace.
It’s perfectly legitimate to have issues with any organised religion but damning everyone brought up in their traditions is myopic.
I was brought up a catholic in Northern Ireland during the troubles. Similar prejudice was routinely trotted out to justify treating us as second class citizens. So surprise, surprise even now as an atheist, I find it a bit triggering, as anyone mght imagine, to hear someone singling out my persecuted community in such a toxic mischaracterisation. I didn’t ask to be catholic but I was brought up in a community of caring and open minded people. Sure there were arseholes but guess what every community has them.
I know the scripture and the official interpretation and that in itself is enough. I am not damning, you misunderstood me. I am not proclaiming that catholics are worse. I just find it aligning with my best interests to pursue downfall of catholicism so to say. It is rather calculated and well thought position than some kind of fit of anger or even hate. It is what benefits me.
If this interpretation ever changes then I will reassess the situation. For now it is beneficial for me to hold this position considering the deeply ingrained rules of that religion being incompatible with me.
There is a bigger enemy however - Islam. I’d be even willing to temporarily join the catholics against them to stop the wave of Islam from spreading to Europe which would be disastrous for me.
Frankly if the Catholic Church changed a little and modernised their conservative interpretations they would be an extremely valuable organisation to me to help me ensure my continued well being and survival.
It could indeed happen in the near future considering the tendencies. To ensure their own survival they will probably have to remodel some of their core philosophies. However the current pope is clearly clueless and unfit for this considering the awkward and dumb attempt at staying neutral during Russian invasion. It was a terrible move. A mistake that can cost everything this organisation really.
I am merely intolerant of an intolerant organisation. It can be summed up in one sentence really. Not every organisation needs to be tolerated. Some are too oppressive.
Find some better religion. A one without thousand years history of killings, murder and rape. A one that isn’t a hypocritical pile of junk.
I don’t call for an end to America over its hundreds of years of killings, murder, rape, slavery, genocide, ecocide, innumerable hypocrisies, and corrupting hegemony. I don’t come on here and sweatily proclaim that all I hope for is the fall of the American ascendency. I don’t because I recognise that America like Catholics or Muslims is a vast mix of people with a wide range of lived experiences and view points. And that not all of their history is terrible. Some of it is actually commendable. And the actions of the leaders often do not line up with the majority of their people.
Yes, true, Catholic church is outdated and reactionary with way more than it’s fair share bad actors but there are also hundreds of millions of Catholics, and people with Catholic backgrounds but no longer practicing, out there that are a wide mix of human beings that deserve a basic amount of respect.
You can, for clarity, include within the parameters of basic respect, to not have to endure your overgeneralising hostile invective.
Being American isn’t a choice but religion is. And I also would hope for America fall but the problem is that it needs to be strong to face China and Russia. It’s true that the history of America is shameful at best and outright criminal at worst. We all have our pieces of national guilts. Religion however serves nothing. It’s just a drug for the mind, to placate the brain from the raw, cruel reality of cosmos. Not for me to say that it is inherently a bad thing in itself however catholic church definitely is a bad thing in itself. Again, find better religion.
However in thinking about choices we must also consider the shameful indoctrination of children by Catholics this is the only reason why it could be said that it isn’t their choice. Because it was made for them. It’s tragic and criminal. Such practice should be prosecuted.
This is a reason I usually pity Catholics rather than hate them. Because the choice was made for them. They had no say whether they want to be indoctrinated or not. Usually it is so ingrained that even years later after they leave the church they have problems with natural bodily functions.
Is this really a hallmark of healthy organisation? No. It is nothing more than a cult.
Such organisation should be pushed to irrelevancy if we want to progress further as a civilization. Their influence must wane. Which is a process that has already started.
American fall would also be welcome however, it is currently impossible due to character of geopolitical arena. We need strong America with their tanks, aircraft carriers and nukes. We need NATO. In this way I am sort of a patriot. I believe in the power of steel to defend us from the bloodthirsty Russian dictators. Thus my heart sees american military with joy, being well aware it is the only thing between me and Putin’s rainbow genocide.
There are some Catholics that are reactionary morons but the majority are not. Describing religions by the worst people in them doesn’t really come across as tolerant. Which ironically is what you’re accusing them of.
The whole catholic doctrine is fundamentally flawed and incompatible with progressive world. I am not very tolerant of it at all. I can’t tolerate bullshit
This isn’t some high horse I am trying to ride but a pragmatic approach vs something that is fundamentally against me.
I don’t pretend I have the keys to the only true and ultimate best way of life but I am simply pragmatic in my war against that which hates me.
If I was POC I would fundamentally hate Klu Klux Klan out of innate will to survive. This is very similar. I don’t get to pick sides or have a luxury of tolerance here.
Similarly with so called right wing nationalism. I don’t have any choice other than to keep battling against them on sea, land and air. Even literally so if needed. My loyalty to my kin is unwavering and I would be willing to die for them if it was necessary. Thankfully it isn’t. However I am ready. Believe me.
The current struggle however requires different action. Drastically lowering influence of Catholic Church is very important objective we must secure. As the influence of it wanes, so our freedom increases. One day we will see the world we fight for, where no one has to fear to be themselves.
Luckily, it is not very hard to expose various CC pedophilic affairs which severely undermines public support for this institution. It has decreased here to 60% from 80% in 3 years and the churches are rapidly emptying thanks to the brave and brilliant journalists.
There are also those that view me as some political ideology, a choice so to say. However this couldn’t be further from the truth. My identity is the same as race or the colour of hair I was born with. To deem it a choice is fundamentally a hostile action to my very existence which will of course be met with appropriate reaction as needed out of the necessity for survival.
Religion is a choice, even politics (though not always as you can see). Who you are isn’t a choice it is simply a fundamental right that needs to be won in a war if needed the same way ethnic groups fight for the rights to exist in peace.
It’s perfectly legitimate to have issues with any organised religion but damning everyone brought up in their traditions is myopic.
I was brought up a catholic in Northern Ireland during the troubles. Similar prejudice was routinely trotted out to justify treating us as second class citizens. So surprise, surprise even now as an atheist, I find it a bit triggering, as anyone mght imagine, to hear someone singling out my persecuted community in such a toxic mischaracterisation. I didn’t ask to be catholic but I was brought up in a community of caring and open minded people. Sure there were arseholes but guess what every community has them.
I know the scripture and the official interpretation and that in itself is enough. I am not damning, you misunderstood me. I am not proclaiming that catholics are worse. I just find it aligning with my best interests to pursue downfall of catholicism so to say. It is rather calculated and well thought position than some kind of fit of anger or even hate. It is what benefits me.
If this interpretation ever changes then I will reassess the situation. For now it is beneficial for me to hold this position considering the deeply ingrained rules of that religion being incompatible with me.
There is a bigger enemy however - Islam. I’d be even willing to temporarily join the catholics against them to stop the wave of Islam from spreading to Europe which would be disastrous for me.
Frankly if the Catholic Church changed a little and modernised their conservative interpretations they would be an extremely valuable organisation to me to help me ensure my continued well being and survival.
It could indeed happen in the near future considering the tendencies. To ensure their own survival they will probably have to remodel some of their core philosophies. However the current pope is clearly clueless and unfit for this considering the awkward and dumb attempt at staying neutral during Russian invasion. It was a terrible move. A mistake that can cost everything this organisation really.
I’m sorry but you come off as just another nutty reactionary to me.
Have a good day.
I am merely intolerant of an intolerant organisation. It can be summed up in one sentence really. Not every organisation needs to be tolerated. Some are too oppressive.
Find some better religion. A one without thousand years history of killings, murder and rape. A one that isn’t a hypocritical pile of junk.
I don’t call for an end to America over its hundreds of years of killings, murder, rape, slavery, genocide, ecocide, innumerable hypocrisies, and corrupting hegemony. I don’t come on here and sweatily proclaim that all I hope for is the fall of the American ascendency. I don’t because I recognise that America like Catholics or Muslims is a vast mix of people with a wide range of lived experiences and view points. And that not all of their history is terrible. Some of it is actually commendable. And the actions of the leaders often do not line up with the majority of their people.
Yes, true, Catholic church is outdated and reactionary with way more than it’s fair share bad actors but there are also hundreds of millions of Catholics, and people with Catholic backgrounds but no longer practicing, out there that are a wide mix of human beings that deserve a basic amount of respect.
You can, for clarity, include within the parameters of basic respect, to not have to endure your overgeneralising hostile invective.
Being American isn’t a choice but religion is. And I also would hope for America fall but the problem is that it needs to be strong to face China and Russia. It’s true that the history of America is shameful at best and outright criminal at worst. We all have our pieces of national guilts. Religion however serves nothing. It’s just a drug for the mind, to placate the brain from the raw, cruel reality of cosmos. Not for me to say that it is inherently a bad thing in itself however catholic church definitely is a bad thing in itself. Again, find better religion.
However in thinking about choices we must also consider the shameful indoctrination of children by Catholics this is the only reason why it could be said that it isn’t their choice. Because it was made for them. It’s tragic and criminal. Such practice should be prosecuted.
This is a reason I usually pity Catholics rather than hate them. Because the choice was made for them. They had no say whether they want to be indoctrinated or not. Usually it is so ingrained that even years later after they leave the church they have problems with natural bodily functions.
Is this really a hallmark of healthy organisation? No. It is nothing more than a cult.
Such organisation should be pushed to irrelevancy if we want to progress further as a civilization. Their influence must wane. Which is a process that has already started.
American fall would also be welcome however, it is currently impossible due to character of geopolitical arena. We need strong America with their tanks, aircraft carriers and nukes. We need NATO. In this way I am sort of a patriot. I believe in the power of steel to defend us from the bloodthirsty Russian dictators. Thus my heart sees american military with joy, being well aware it is the only thing between me and Putin’s rainbow genocide.