That’s not how the world works. Something needs to come first. You can’t push medical treatment on people, the uptake is much worse than making available free housing.
Both are needed to be available, true. Work needs to be done so they don’t depend on each other.
It’s the only way to keep these people off the street, I dunno what else you want me to say. If you give them housing but no supportive services, they’ll just trash it and then leave back to the streets. You can say that’s not how the world works, but we’ll need it to work that way for this small subsection of homeless people.
I think the issue is the term “mental treatment”. Do you want social workers to come by once in a while? Of course: Have a talk, ask whether everything about the apartment is in order – not an inspection, more the “if the drain doesn’t work and you don’t know what to do call us” kind of thing. But that’s not therapy, it’s at most psycho-sociological counselling. Therapy in most cases won’t even work because there’s the bulk of people’s core issues is shitty life syndrome and there’s no pill against capitalism.
Psychotic schizos (acutely or otherwise) should already be in an institution and on haloperidol and for the rest of us (yes you’ve stumbled across one on the spectrum) the same applies as for normies. There’s no pills against the spectrum, either and yes we’re kinda prone to shitty life syndrome on account of shitty society seeping through our barely existent self boundaries. Housing provides space and calm to work through the shit and please make doubly sure that social worker isn’t conducting an inspection.
You can’t push medical treatment on people, the uptake is much worse than making available free housing.
And that’s IMO part of the problem, combined with some pretty bad history regarding domestic use of asylums etc.
You can’t give somebody who’s had a mental break a house/apartment/etc in the general population no-syringes-attached and maybe a once-a-week drop-in and expect things to go ok. That just results in places getting attacked with drug-fueled parties etc, and it’s not particularly great for the neighbors.
There is group housing, but again if you stick an unrepentant addict who has mental issues in with people who are trying hard to recover, that’ll negatively influence their living situation and mental health situation of those around them.
So… first-start housing needs to be in a controlled or semi-controlled environment that can allow people to recover when they’re not in a good enough mental state to make sound health/life choices. You can’t be no-strings-attached without it impacting those around them and their own ability to recover, and you just end up with a shit hole (literally in many cases) full of junkies, dealers, and people screaming at walls.
As those who are willing to improve things do so, and gain the faculties to make that decision, the housing situation and independence can change as well, but the care, housing, and healing need to go hand-in-hand with some basic ground rules for the good of all.
Yes, I’m saying these people need mental care and housing, simultaneously. Not housing first.
That’s not how the world works. Something needs to come first. You can’t push medical treatment on people, the uptake is much worse than making available free housing.
Both are needed to be available, true. Work needs to be done so they don’t depend on each other.
It’s the only way to keep these people off the street, I dunno what else you want me to say. If you give them housing but no supportive services, they’ll just trash it and then leave back to the streets. You can say that’s not how the world works, but we’ll need it to work that way for this small subsection of homeless people.
I think the issue is the term “mental treatment”. Do you want social workers to come by once in a while? Of course: Have a talk, ask whether everything about the apartment is in order – not an inspection, more the “if the drain doesn’t work and you don’t know what to do call us” kind of thing. But that’s not therapy, it’s at most psycho-sociological counselling. Therapy in most cases won’t even work because there’s the bulk of people’s core issues is shitty life syndrome and there’s no pill against capitalism.
I agree, but I’m not talking about the bulk of people. I’m talking about the vocal few with serious mental issues, like schizophrenia.
Psychotic schizos (acutely or otherwise) should already be in an institution and on haloperidol and for the rest of us (yes you’ve stumbled across one on the spectrum) the same applies as for normies. There’s no pills against the spectrum, either and yes we’re kinda prone to shitty life syndrome on account of shitty society seeping through our barely existent self boundaries. Housing provides space and calm to work through the shit and please make doubly sure that social worker isn’t conducting an inspection.
We don’t have institutions anymore, so that would be more or less what I’m taking about. Housing and treatment.
And that’s IMO part of the problem, combined with some pretty bad history regarding domestic use of asylums etc.
You can’t give somebody who’s had a mental break a house/apartment/etc in the general population no-syringes-attached and maybe a once-a-week drop-in and expect things to go ok. That just results in places getting attacked with drug-fueled parties etc, and it’s not particularly great for the neighbors.
There is group housing, but again if you stick an unrepentant addict who has mental issues in with people who are trying hard to recover, that’ll negatively influence their living situation and mental health situation of those around them.
So… first-start housing needs to be in a controlled or semi-controlled environment that can allow people to recover when they’re not in a good enough mental state to make sound health/life choices. You can’t be no-strings-attached without it impacting those around them and their own ability to recover, and you just end up with a shit hole (literally in many cases) full of junkies, dealers, and people screaming at walls.
As those who are willing to improve things do so, and gain the faculties to make that decision, the housing situation and independence can change as well, but the care, housing, and healing need to go hand-in-hand with some basic ground rules for the good of all.
I said free, not no strings attached. Allowing cleaners in once a week could be a requirement, or having a visit and a chat with a counselor.
Finding some criteria to have disruptive people wash out into a more appropriate living/ treatment setting is ideal.
Don’t make rules like, you have to pass a drug test or stay on medication. That just drives away the people that need the most stability and safety.