A little-discussed detail in the Lavender AI article is that Israel is killing people based on being in the same Whatsapp group [1] as a suspected militant [2]. Where are they getting this data? Is WhatsApp sharing it?
Lavender is Israel's system of "pre-crime" [3] - they use AI to
Because Israel and Iran are enemies and have been in a state of semi-war for ages? And because Israel is an Apartheid state whose raison d’etre is ethnic cleansing?
yeah, fuck the government of Iran generally, but I support any decision they make here. anyone can get points for stopping genocide and killing Nazis. literally anyone. even Nazis! that has happened before!
Uh yes? Iran is oppressive as fuck, but yeah they’re not an Apartheid state, and hell even if they were. At least Iranian women get citizenship and the right to a fair-ish trial.
Admittedly I don’t know much about the state of Kurds in Iran, but again we have a literal genocide in Gaza. What little I have read doesn’t mention anything that intense in Iran.
no its not close. fuck Iran’s givernment generally, not the good guys, but killing Nazis is always good. everyone gets points for that even if they otherwise suck.
Talking about the “initial fault” in this conflict is moot. We’re at a point, where both sides can reasonably point to some events in the past and blame the other side for the conflict.
Fact is, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and its allies are religious fanatic militias, while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™. Of course the expectations towards Israel regarding human rights and international law are slightly higher. And let’s be honest, what Israel is doing right now is certainly not helping calming the situation, or even making long term peace.
while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™.
Man Israel has more than 5 million people under an occupation that denies them any and all human rights. They’re not a liberal democracy in any stretch of the word.
authoritarian, apartheid, theocratic, genocidal and willing to start world war three over looking bad
Iran is authoritarian and theocratic, and the people there don’t love that.
I feel like one of these things is worse than the other. indefensibly, past the fucking moral event horizon, ‘kill them all and then shoot the bodies to make sure they’re dead’ levels of worse.
world war three isn’t, like, acceptable. theres no defense for that sjit, especially with some of the military hardware they now have.
lol “liberal democracy”. they’re as homophobic and more transphobic. they’re howling fascists that make the Nazis look like noobs (learning from history I guess. in a the worst ways). they don’t have virtue.
but iranisnt trying to start world war three, and they aren’t trying to do a genocide, so theyre the sensible allies here.
unless you want a global thermonuclear war. then by all means; back the Zionist terror forces.
If somebody supports Israel, they are supporting a genocide based on perceived land needs of the Israeli people.
If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.
I don’t think we can get anywhere unless all of us as leftists acknowledge that the Jews of Israel will be in the same position the people of Palestine are in right now if we don’t thread the needle of support and guess what? We are not fucking threading that needle.
equivocating ‘the Jewish peolle’ with kapo genocide orcs doing 'protocols of the elders of zionc larp is antisemitic as fuck. what do you expect from a bunch of literal Hitler apologists though?
Uh… Hamas has tried to make peace with Israel before. Multiple times. Including two attempts to hand over Gaza to the PA and start peace negotiations. Israel has refused all of them.
uh, not the Jewish people. I support Palestine, and I’m not down for killing the guy who runs the donuy shop, or the guy at the deli, or even two of my ex girlfriends.
equivocating ‘the Jewish people’ with ‘israel’ is blatantly antisemitic and potentially genocidal. stop.
I don’t believe you truly didn’t understand what I said. I think you just wanted to tell the person concerned about antisemitism that he is the true antisemite.
You will be blocked if you try that on me again. So please either try good faith dialog in your next response or don’t bother responding.
they’re not concerned about antisemitism if they’re equating Jewish identity with a genocidal fascist apocalypse cult that draws protocols of the elders of Zion fan art on everyone’s maps.
well, not in the direction one would hope they’re concerned.
if the kapostanis stopped saying every Jew is aligned with them, or people stopped listening to them, I’m sure there would be a lot less antisemitism.
the problem is the Zionist genocide orcs. its always the Zionist genocide orcs scrawling 'protocols of the elders og zionc fan art on our maps, then defending themselves from the things they’re doing from the boom they’re using as a checklist by saying we’re just accusing them because its in an old dumb czarist book. which they’re using as a checklist.
What group currently calling Jihad against Israel has not openly recieved funding from the Iranian state, going back to 1992?
The answer is none. Every group calling for Jihad and Jewish genocide in the region has received monetary support from Iran.
Why is that?
Because Israel and Iran are enemies and have been in a state of semi-war for ages? And because Israel is an Apartheid state whose raison d’etre is ethnic cleansing?
yeah, fuck the government of Iran generally, but I support any decision they make here. anyone can get points for stopping genocide and killing Nazis. literally anyone. even Nazis! that has happened before!
Someone needs to read a little history
Enlighten me.
So Iran can fund jihad against Judaism itself, and it’s Israel’s fault?
Literally yes. The state of anti-Semitism in the middle east is a direct
causeresult of Israeli Apartheid.Edit.
And Iran is not an apartheid state?
Uh yes? Iran is oppressive as fuck, but yeah they’re not an Apartheid state, and hell even if they were. At least Iranian women get citizenship and the right to a fair-ish trial.
Bro gtfo, kurds have suffered under Iranian regime for more than a century, israel palestine conflict doesn’t even come close.
Yeah you get the fair trail as long as your aren’t kurd.
Man we have a genocide going on in Gaza.
Admittedly I don’t know much about the state of Kurds in Iran, but again we have a literal genocide in Gaza. What little I have read doesn’t mention anything that intense in Iran.
I’m not denying the ongoing genocide, but acting like Iran is some kind of good faith actor in the region is total bullshit.
no its not close. fuck Iran’s givernment generally, not the good guys, but killing Nazis is always good. everyone gets points for that even if they otherwise suck.
You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?
That is ahistorical nonsense, and you know it.
Do you wish to try again?
Not after the creation of Israel, after Zionists started trying to take Palestine in 1917.
Conveniently ignoring about a thousand years of history there, little buddy.
Conveniently ignoring about a thousand years of history there, little buddy.
Go on, what’s that history?
There were 300,000 Jews there when tbs Mamluks took power and 5,000 when the Ottomans took power.
What happened? Did the Jews disappear?
nothing makes Hezbollah seem reasonable quite like hezbarrah does.
Bot account?
no just something a lot of hezbarites need to hear.
Talking about the “initial fault” in this conflict is moot. We’re at a point, where both sides can reasonably point to some events in the past and blame the other side for the conflict.
Fact is, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and its allies are religious fanatic militias, while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™. Of course the expectations towards Israel regarding human rights and international law are slightly higher. And let’s be honest, what Israel is doing right now is certainly not helping calming the situation, or even making long term peace.
Man Israel has more than 5 million people under an occupation that denies them any and all human rights. They’re not a liberal democracy in any stretch of the word.
Israel is an authoritarian state, they throw people in jail for disagreeing with the government, or just being Palestinian / Muslim.
authoritarian, apartheid, theocratic, genocidal and willing to start world war three over looking bad
Iran is authoritarian and theocratic, and the people there don’t love that.
I feel like one of these things is worse than the other. indefensibly, past the fucking moral event horizon, ‘kill them all and then shoot the bodies to make sure they’re dead’ levels of worse.
world war three isn’t, like, acceptable. theres no defense for that sjit, especially with some of the military hardware they now have.
lol “liberal democracy”. they’re as homophobic and more transphobic. they’re howling fascists that make the Nazis look like noobs (learning from history I guess. in a the worst ways). they don’t have virtue.
but iranisnt trying to start world war three, and they aren’t trying to do a genocide, so theyre the sensible allies here.
unless you want a global thermonuclear war. then by all means; back the Zionist terror forces.
I don’t know if I fully buy that argument.
If somebody supports Israel, they are supporting a genocide based on perceived land needs of the Israeli people.
If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.
I don’t think we can get anywhere unless all of us as leftists acknowledge that the Jews of Israel will be in the same position the people of Palestine are in right now if we don’t thread the needle of support and guess what? We are not fucking threading that needle.
What? No significant player in Palestine is trying to do that.
equivocating ‘the Jewish peolle’ with kapo genocide orcs doing 'protocols of the elders of zionc larp is antisemitic as fuck. what do you expect from a bunch of literal Hitler apologists though?
If we pretend the “elected” government of Palestine is in significant than sure.
Uh… Hamas has tried to make peace with Israel before. Multiple times. Including two attempts to hand over Gaza to the PA and start peace negotiations. Israel has refused all of them.
Hamas killed all the PA in Gaza after the takeover in 2006. when did they ever attempt to give gaza back?
Israel isn’t the one rejecting the cease fire right now.
uh, not the Jewish people. I support Palestine, and I’m not down for killing the guy who runs the donuy shop, or the guy at the deli, or even two of my ex girlfriends.
equivocating ‘the Jewish people’ with ‘israel’ is blatantly antisemitic and potentially genocidal. stop.
I don’t believe you truly didn’t understand what I said. I think you just wanted to tell the person concerned about antisemitism that he is the true antisemite.
You will be blocked if you try that on me again. So please either try good faith dialog in your next response or don’t bother responding.
they’re not concerned about antisemitism if they’re equating Jewish identity with a genocidal fascist apocalypse cult that draws protocols of the elders of Zion fan art on everyone’s maps.
well, not in the direction one would hope they’re concerned.
You were told you would be blocked if you didn’t stop playing that game.
literally yes. they didn’t give a shit before the 'all Jews are aligned with israelc protocols of the elders of Zion fanfic those fuckers are pushing.
and then making their entire existence genocide and atrocities.
if the kapostanis stopped saying every Jew is aligned with them, or people stopped listening to them, I’m sure there would be a lot less antisemitism.
the problem is the Zionist genocide orcs. its always the Zionist genocide orcs scrawling 'protocols of the elders og zionc fan art on our maps, then defending themselves from the things they’re doing from the boom they’re using as a checklist by saying we’re just accusing them because its in an old dumb czarist book. which they’re using as a checklist.
Woah there buddy, I think you mistook me as somebody interested in unintelligible rants.