• WamGams
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    7 months ago

    I don’t believe you know what a doomer is, and your insistence on calling people that after being called out for hurling accusations of Zionism leads me to believe you are just using the word to mean Zionist without actually having to reflect on why you and I are at odds despite the fact that we hold the same beliefs.

    It may fundamentally be an issue of behavior.

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      I’m going by this definition:

      Doomer

      A person with a pessimistic outlook on life. [A doomer] feels a sense of helplessness and aimlessness

      Your claim would qualify as such pathological pessimism.

      Nobody except someone who’s either a Zionist defending the weapons shipments or extremely pessimistic would make such a wild claim in good faith.

      leads me to believe you are just using the word to mean Zionist

      Nope, see above.

      why you and I are at odds despite the fact that we hold the same beliefs.

      Perhaps because you keep ridiculously insisting that one of the important steps to stop what we both abhor wouldn’t matter? That would tend to put people with similar beliefs and/or goals at odds with each other.

      it may fundamentally be an issue of behavior

      True. I’m fast running out of reasons to believe a word of what you say, since you’re being so obtuse that it’s almost a given that it’s willful by now.

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        Well I’m not a pessimist, I feel no sense of helplessness and in response to claims of aimlessness, I actually think that kind of is what my problem with your words have been. Aimless and unhelpful, mostly to the Palestinian people.

        This is my issue. You are allowed to just lie about others and pretend its saving lives, while you would never grant me access to that same behavior. This is the narcissism I was talking about.

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          You are allowed to just lie about others and pretend its saving lives

          I have done no such thing at any point.

          This is the narcissism I was talking about.

          Still doesn’t make the least bit of sense. Just leave me alone, please.

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            7 months ago

            You accused me of being both a Zionist and a doomer, with zero regard to the truth value of those accusations.

            But yes, I think our conversation has reached its natural conclusion. Best of luck to you.

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              @[email protected] can’t go down two posts about Palestine without calling someone a Zionist. It’s impossible to have any discourse with these people because they aren’t interested in facts as much as they are interested in grandstanding.

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                @[email protected] can’t go down two posts about Palestine without calling someone a Zionist

                That’s completely false. I might sometimes call out someone who’s acting like a Zionist but isn’t one, since I’m not a mind reader, but yours is a completely unfair accusation designed to discredit me and make yourself look better in comparison.

                it’s impossible to have any discourse with these people

                Stereotype much?

                they aren’t interested in facts as much as they are interested in grandstanding.

                Doesn’t it hurt your brain to project that much?

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                  @[email protected] I’m not the one going around calling everyone Zionists (or Zionist adjacent). Or any epiteth really. I don’t care about how I look. I’m more frustrated by the fact that I spent so much time arguing with you when facts or evidence clearly mean nothing. You’re a pathetic troll.

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                    I’m not the one going around calling everyone Zionists (or Zionist adjacent)

                    Neither am I. You ARE the one that keeps insisting, based on realistically useless nuclear weapons and a single arms order that had been signed but not yet delivered, one of the most important things that self-declared Zionist Joe Biden could do wouldn’t do anything to stop or even slow the genocide. That kind of defeatist rhetoric is often used by the enemies of progress to discourage others to ask for improvements, which is why I suspected that you were making excuses for Biden because you’re a Zionist yourself rather than stubbornly clinging to an utterly bizarre claim for no reason.

                    Or any epiteth really

                    No, you just unfairly accuse them of arguing in bad faith and/or with no understanding, which is MUCH more insulting than being called a name you don’t like.

                    I’m more frustrated by the fact that I spent so much time arguing with you when facts or evidence clearly mean nothing

                    There you go again with the projection. If you’re so tired of engaging with me, why tag me in your false accusations so that I get a notification even though you’re replying to someone else’s comment?

                    You’re a pathetic troll.

                    Nah, that would be you. More projection.

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                I suspect this person is like some of the users on .ml (core and boomer, for instance) who are clearly being paid by somebody to do what they are doing.

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                  Why pay anyone when you can have children go online and parrot anything you want without anyone fact checking them? They’re just kids. They’re all fucking kids.

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            I’m starting to think about you’re a troll at this point. The amount of pivoting in your posts is unreal. Just like the way you ignored my two other links in the post I referred you to.