Billionaires Barry Diller and Steve Cohen added to four-day workweek debate as support for the idea rises and companies that made the move say it's a win.
When you let “each company do what’s best for them” we get mining companies hiring pinkerton to murder miners. We get Triangle Shirtwaist. We get Bhopal.
We need the force of law behind things like this, or we get fucked by greed, every single time. You do what’s best for you, but corporations need laws.
OK. And what I’m telling you is that without a law, it won’t happen.
How did I get from here to there? The 5-day work week literally saved lives. Saved peoples’ bodies. Extended lifespans. Gave children back their parents. I don’t think a single labor regulation has ever protected workers as much as the 5-day week.
The 4-day week would take it further. It’s worth doing, and it will not happen if we let every corporation decide for themselves.
Just playing devil’s advocate here, but doesn’t the article prove that it has happened?
And now, being a bit more genuine, I think it’s tricky with places where people aren’t salaried. Like people who make most of their money through commissions and bonuses based on sales targets (car salespeople, etc). Also caregiving, where margins are slim because of shitty insurance reimbursements and caregivers get paid based on hourly work
It has happened at some companies. We didn’t need a law. The company and employees decide what was best for them.
If I went to a four day work week, it’d cut my pay by about 100k. No thanks. Since I don’t work much per day, I’ll gladly do the 5 for the extra money.
Well, the idea behind the law is that you keep your current pay. I just think it’s impractical in situations where pay is driven by commission or where margins are cutthroat
Yeah, those are both valid points. Although I’d also say that bills like that do get introduced, probably with much greater odds of passing than this one.
I know many people with shit vacation. I think Everyone can get behind a minimum standard for vacation. Everyone should support a 401k match since pensions for the most part aren’t coming back.
The idea and the reality will be different. I work on commission. Not being available would cost me a lot of money.
Imagine we already have a nursing shortage. Now we cut their hours and we have an even larger shortage.
We’d have to pay more in taxes to hire more cops, firefighters, etc.
In a labor market like we have. It would radically increase cost and taxes.
It’s something that sounds great on paper but in the real world it falls apart pretty quickly when forced
Sure, I work in healthcare and any clinician (nurse, doc, etc.) would be seriously impacted. It’s an industry where most companies are in the red, especially post-COVID. Cutting hours would be impossible.
But, there is also an argument to be made that we need to radically restructure things. CEO pay has ballooned relative to entry level jobs and this pushes for a rebalancing of that. Healthcare CEOs, at least in most non-profit/teaching health systems, aren’t paid anything like other CEOs.
CEO pay has ballooned relative to entry level jobs and this pushes for a rebalancing of that
I’d fully support a ratio for anyone public company. You want to be on the stock market. Fine. You’re total compensation can’t be more then 20x the lowest employee.
When you let “each company do what’s best for them” we get mining companies hiring pinkerton to murder miners. We get Triangle Shirtwaist. We get Bhopal.
We need the force of law behind things like this, or we get fucked by greed, every single time. You do what’s best for you, but corporations need laws.
I am not sure how you got murdering people from what I said.
I don’t want a law pushing four day work weeks. Doesn’t interest me. I’m fine with each company picking the schedule they want to offer.
OK. And what I’m telling you is that without a law, it won’t happen.
How did I get from here to there? The 5-day work week literally saved lives. Saved peoples’ bodies. Extended lifespans. Gave children back their parents. I don’t think a single labor regulation has ever protected workers as much as the 5-day week.
The 4-day week would take it further. It’s worth doing, and it will not happen if we let every corporation decide for themselves.
Just playing devil’s advocate here, but doesn’t the article prove that it has happened?
And now, being a bit more genuine, I think it’s tricky with places where people aren’t salaried. Like people who make most of their money through commissions and bonuses based on sales targets (car salespeople, etc). Also caregiving, where margins are slim because of shitty insurance reimbursements and caregivers get paid based on hourly work
It has happened at some companies. We didn’t need a law. The company and employees decide what was best for them. If I went to a four day work week, it’d cut my pay by about 100k. No thanks. Since I don’t work much per day, I’ll gladly do the 5 for the extra money.
Well, the idea behind the law is that you keep your current pay. I just think it’s impractical in situations where pay is driven by commission or where margins are cutthroat
Honest I’d rather see mandatory vacations, mandatory 401k match, etc. I think those are more important.
I’d rather see 4 weeks of vacation required by law or a 10% of your pay put into a 401k.
Yeah, those are both valid points. Although I’d also say that bills like that do get introduced, probably with much greater odds of passing than this one.
I know many people with shit vacation. I think Everyone can get behind a minimum standard for vacation. Everyone should support a 401k match since pensions for the most part aren’t coming back.
The idea and the reality will be different. I work on commission. Not being available would cost me a lot of money. Imagine we already have a nursing shortage. Now we cut their hours and we have an even larger shortage. We’d have to pay more in taxes to hire more cops, firefighters, etc.
In a labor market like we have. It would radically increase cost and taxes.
It’s something that sounds great on paper but in the real world it falls apart pretty quickly when forced
Sure, I work in healthcare and any clinician (nurse, doc, etc.) would be seriously impacted. It’s an industry where most companies are in the red, especially post-COVID. Cutting hours would be impossible.
But, there is also an argument to be made that we need to radically restructure things. CEO pay has ballooned relative to entry level jobs and this pushes for a rebalancing of that. Healthcare CEOs, at least in most non-profit/teaching health systems, aren’t paid anything like other CEOs.
I’d fully support a ratio for anyone public company. You want to be on the stock market. Fine. You’re total compensation can’t be more then 20x the lowest employee.
Who said anything about removing a law? You seem to be on some weird tangent unrelated to what I said.
I have zero interest in a four day work week. We voted on it at work and it failed miserably.
Just because you want one; doesn’t mean everyone else wants it.
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Where am I ingesting anything? It would mean a real pay cut for me. No thanks.
Lmfao
What lying and manipulating for a living does to your brain. Never trust a salesmen.
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