• Mr_Blott@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I’ve been many times.

    Bear in mind, Russia is the country, not the people.

    The country is actively and purposefully destabilising multiple countries and are basically terrorists at this point

    You can say exactly the same thing about the US

    Would you judge a US citizen by their country’s actions?

    Just try announcing you’re a westerner in deepest darkest Russia. I recommend brushing up on your vodka skills because you’ll be dragged from house to house like a celebrity and fed until you burst

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      9 months ago

      You can say exactly the same thing about the US

      No, nowhere near exactly the same. The US does bad stuff, sure, but “good” and “bad” are not absolute binary states that you instantly jump between the moment you lean one way or the other. There’s a smooth scale and Russia’s way farther down it than the US is.

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        You’re arguing as if they had said Russia and the US are morally the same; what they actually said was that they are guilty of the same aforementioned crimes.

        The [US] is actively and purposefully destabilising multiple countries and are basically terrorists at this point

        Tell me how that sentence is wrong.

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          9 months ago

          And if someone thinks the above comment is wrong, you are victim of the exact same propaganda that makes Russians support Putin. Just on the western side.

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          9 months ago

          I wasn’t addressing that statement. I explicitly agreed that the US is doing bad things. The statement I was addressing was where they were called “exactly the same.” I quoted it in my comment to avoid this sort of misinterpretation.

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            9 months ago

            The statement I was addressing was where they were called “exactly the same.”

            You are the one misinterpreting a statement here, by insinuating that the OP’s assertion of “exactly the same” was referring to Russia and US as a whole. It wasn’t, and so the point you’re arguing against is one that OP never made.

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              9 months ago

              Why are you so completely confident that your take on OP’s statement is correct and my take on OP’s statement is wrong? You’re not Mr_Blott.

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                Because I’m just interpreting the statement as it was written while you are reading an additional argument into it that the comment plainly does not make. I suggest you brush up on argumentation theory if that is too difficult for you to understand