The mother of slain hostage Ron Sherman accused the IDF of ‘poisoning’ her son to death inside a Jabaliya tunnel.
“The results of the investigation: Ron was indeed murdered,” she wrote. “Not by Hamas. Think more in the direction of Auschwitz and the showers but without Nazis and without Hamas as the cause. No accidental shooting, no report, premeditated murder, bombings with poisonous gases.”
According to her, the IDF filled the tunnel in which he was held with gas, and his son was poisoned to death.
“Ron was kidnapped because of the criminal negligence of all the senior officials of the army and the damned government who gave the order to eliminate him in order to settle a score with some terrorist from Jabalya.” The mother claimed that “they found that he also had several crushed fingers, apparently due to his desperate attempts to get out of the poison grave that the IDF buried in him when he tried to breathe air, but he only breathed IDF poison. There is no future for this country if this is what they did to you after they abandoned you that Saturday. What was the decision if Bibi’s son was there in the terrorist’s tunnel or Gallant’s grandson? Or the son of Hertzi Halevi? Would they also have been poisoned with gas bombs?”
-FTA, the mother’s statements.
civilian casualties will happen in war. there’s pretty much nothing that will stop that. Civilian casualties will always skyrocket though, when you use indiscriminate weapons… like gas attacks…
I wonder how many Palestinian civilians have been killed with poison gas.
According to the US and it’s Western allies:
Syrian army using gas is a war crime.
IDF using gas is perfectly fine.
Idunno.
I’m going to preface this with saying I believe it’s a war crime and we should be sanctioning Israel every bit as much as we’ve sanctioned Russia.
But a critical distinction might be getting made in how the poison gas is getting used. Like with white phosphorus- use as a smoke screen away from civilians is okay, use as shelling over civilians… not so much.
It’d be a bullshit technicality that the tunnels are enclosed and they believe no civilians are in there… but it’s an argument I could see working to satisfy my stupid, super-pac-addicted president.
IDF killing hostages is nothing new, but using poison gas is a brand new war crime.
Using poison gas is nothing new too because there is no evidence that that’s what happened other than the wild speculation of a grieving mother. There are plenty of things that can cause poisonous gas to accumulate underground. How could she possibly know the source?
Do you work for the IDF or are you an Israeli? You defending them like they cannot do war crimes or anything wrong… which statistically impossible, almost every army commit war crimes…
Nah read my posts. It’s a complex situation.
A weapon banned by the Geneva convention because it indiscriminately murders everyone in the vicinity means that it’s effective right? - israel
What weapon?
Cause of death is undetermined. Family says no gunshots so it must be gas. Probably. Doesn’t mean it was a weapon. All sorts of gases underground. Could have been a fire somewhere else in the tunnels. Could have been a generator running down there filling it up with carbon monoxide. Could have been the percussive blast of bombs falling nearby. This story is entirely speculation.
Israeli army gassed my son ‘like Auschwitz,’ mother of slain Israeli soldier says
Israel has refused to divulge further information regarding the circumstances of the deaths, stating in a press release that “it cannot be denied nor confirmed that they were killed due to strangulation, suffocation, poisoning, or as the result of an IDF [Israeli Defense Forces] attack or Hamas operation.” But Sherman’s mother says all the evidence indicates the Israeli government deliberately killed her son.
Interestingly enough I was assured by someone a couple days ago that Jerusalem Post was all pro-Israel propaganda, and I therefore couldn’t trust a word out of its mouth. Apparently that person was grossly mistaken.
They’re not all pro-Israel propaganda, but they definitely have a significant pro-Israeli bent and need to be fact-checked.
I mean, everybody does. Most things you read are going to be “only one side of the story” in one sense or another. I’ve just observed that a lot of Lemmy people jump very easily to “that source is biased I can reject everything in it completely” even when that source is publishing things like this that clearly do not have the bias they’re claiming.
If they publish something you don’t like it’s always easier to attack the source than the article.
Most moral army in the world poisons hostages it claims to be trying to rescue
Close to where the bodies were found, the IDF attacked a tunnel in which the commander of the northern division of Gaza, Ahmad Al Ghandour… The investigation shows that at the time of the attack, the IDF did not know about the presence of hostages in the area. Also, the forces who found their bodies during searches in the tunnel did not have prior intelligence about their presence.
So one of their objectives is rescuing hostages, and they can’t check before they poison a bunch of people? At this point the IDF has killed more hostages than it has saved. I don’t think it’s just bad luck. They. Don’t. Care.
It’s not like they know their way around these tunnels. They were built to be hard to navigate and built to conceal people and contraband.
Bottom line bud, if there was a fire anywhere near a shaft, heavier-than-air gases will sink downward into tunnels. Have you ever heard stories about someone goes down even into a root cellar or something and then passes out, and three more people go down after them one a time and all succumb?
You’re attributing to malice what is easily explained by basic physics and coincidence.
Yes these hostages who were killed waving the white flag can also be explained by coincidence.
Do you understand how these two events are and are not connected? They are independent events.
That one was a war crime. It’s very normal to be angry about that. Try not to let that inject logical fallacies into your thoughts process about unrelated events, though.
This would make more sense if the IDF didn’t have a track record of killing Palestinians on purpose and Israelis “by mistake”.
That’s not evidence of what happened on this occasion, it’s rote speculation and conjecture.
Nevermind that this was in Jabalia where the IDF wrecked havoc and committed unspeakable crimes.
But yeah sure I’m sure it’s just an accident as described by you. That totally makes more sense /s
That totally makes all IDF actions justified /s
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Murder? Mistake
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Dead journalist? Oops mistake
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Dead children? Ohh they’re human shields so it was okay to end their lives in a violent and painful way under tonnes of rubble
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An entire dead family? Sorry that’s just the price we pay for peace 😢
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University building demolished? totally tunnels under there even though we had time to put explosives in specific places and worked for hours around the building which would mean it was secure but we blew it up anyway, destroying vital KHAMAS infrastructure
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Bombing every UN shelter? omg why are you holding Israel to another standard??!! 🤯😲😭
Dude doesn’t this kind of stuff make you feel suspicious of them?
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Coincidence? Are you suggesting that poisonous gases were only coincidentally released into Gaza? Or that it’s just coincidental that there were hostages there? In the tunnels. Where even we know they would obviously be.
Edit. Just also want to share the quote from the mother of one of the people the IDF killed:
“The results of the investigation: Ron was indeed murdered,” she wrote. “Not by Hamas. Think more in the direction of Auschwitz and the showers but without Nazis and without Hamas as the cause. No accidental shooting, no report, premeditated murder, bombings with poisonous gases.”
Yes his presence. I saw the mother’s quote. The actual report said the cause of death could not be determined due to the condition of the body. This is the sole report I’ve heard from anyone in the course of war suggesting the use of poisonous gas as a weapon and for that reason it’s just not credible.
More likely, the woman misunderstood the report or, as many here have done, attributed to malice what is better explained by bad luck.
From context and reading between the lines, I could see the report stating that the man suffocated from smoke and fumes before being burned in a fire. That would be consistent with both the IDF and the mother’s statements.
The IDF seems to always say “we can’t confirm” or “we had no activity in the area” or “we don’t know maybe a Palestinian shot this journalist in the head even though we extracted a standard IDF bullet from her head” every time they do something terrible.
I don’t think THAT’S a coincidence.
Sometimes they say that. Most of the time though they say “yeah we conducted an airstrike and killed X number of Hamas militants.”
And of course Hamas says every single time “nope those were innocent people just going about their day.”
Some of them have to be Hamas, right? So, in my view, they have less credibility. Denying their own existence is part of their strategy of martyrdom. If they admit Israel really did kill a bunch of Hamas soldiers, that doesn’t push the right narrative for Hamas and Iran.
I like how you believe a proven lying military…
I think so too… This person has some reasonableness to him/her, they even said they would accept the ICJ decision in another thread. That’s good.
What I find amazing is how much trust they have in the IDF, as though some kind of blind loyalty. Otherwise, how would one be able to excuse such heinous crimes? Just say they were all accidents or trust the IDF statements “because they make more sense” (their words, not mine)… That’s how you distance your own brain from the bloodshed and massacres. Hide everything under the giant blanket of “IT’S JUST A WAR AND ALL WARS ARE BAD”.
Such statements make it sound like it’s okay to kill and maim as long as you put the war label on it… Totally forgetting that this war is literally tearing people limb from limb every single day, not providing any security to Israelis, and literally repeating the holocaust in some aspects.
My guess is: years of indoctrination, denial, fear of accepting the crimes committed by a country you support or identify with.
I am glad I have the ability to tag users around here. It is the same accounts that keep saying the same things. I have one tagged “blame it on Iran” and a few with “IDF supporter”
I hope at least they get paid by the IDF otherwise it is sad.
Yeah, I was actually considering gathering a list of all of them and blocking them all at once for my own mental health and sanity, even though that might sound counter productive for debate. I would never shadow ban them from any community for simply being Zionists but I totally would in my personal sphere.
From what I’ve read, it seems Israeli citizens fear the Hannibal Directive (originally about killing their own soldiers rather than letting them be taken hostage) is secretly being applied to civilian hostages. It was supposed to have been retired several years ago, but there are accusations from within Israel it was implemented on Oct 7th (for the portion of people killed by the IDF), and possibly for all the Israeli hostages that have been killed so far by the IDF in separate incidents.
You know the pictures of cars an burning bodies in October 7th?
Along with the “hamas plans” pictures they published.
The paper if you read it in arabic suggest the goal is to kidnap as much people as possible and attack check points.
What I believe happens is that hamas were attempting to stopping cars with people to kidnap them by driving back to Gaza. Those who refused to stop the car get shot at. Then the IDF response was to not allow any car to return to Gaza and killing there own civilians.
There were interviews in Israeli media with the pilots of the Apache helicopters.
They had no idea who were in the cars but blew them up anyway thinking they could be Hamas fighters.
You can’t just Zionists just like you can’t trust Nazis.
