Chloe Macdermott researched suicide methods on a forum and bought lethal substance online from US

Coroner calls on Google and Amazon to act after British woman’s suicide::Chloe Macdermott researched suicide methods on a forum and bought lethal substance online from US

  • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
    741·
    1 year ago

    This is the classic, we want to control information so that only painful and tragic exit methods are known about by the general public.

    I.e. Paternalistic gatekeeping suicide is a sin.

    • OtterAEnglish
      148·
      1 year ago

      That assumes that the person was going to die regardless, while in reality lots of people can and do get the support that they need. This is different from medically assisted dying.

      Hiding information doesn’t help, but encouraging support and controlling the market for the poisons can help.

      “Suicide is a sin” isn’t the only reason we support those dealing with the issues, even if that might be the motivation of people in some places.

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        311·
        1 year ago

        Helping people, yes

        Giving people options, yes

        Showing people a better way, yes

        Removing options, gatekeeping

        Restricting information, gatekeeping

        • OtterAEnglish
          173·
          1 year ago

          Removing options, gatekeeping

          There’s some nuance here too

          Say barriers on bridges and high areas that the public can access. It’s removing an option yes, but it might be enough friction to stop the person till they can receive the help they need

          • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
            21·
            1 year ago

            I concede the benefit of barriers to prevent accidents, or to discourage people from jumping from this point right here. Delaying the impulse. We don’t deny people the knowledge of gravity, and we don’t legistate the removal of high places. If someone really wants to jump they have options, hiking to a cliff etc.

            Let’s say there is a magic pill, that is painless, no side effects, etc. let’s say we made this available for people’s pets in pain, but not for humans in pain. In this fictional universe the gatekeeping of “enough pain” to justify a dignified and self selected exit is a net evil. As long as a human has agency they should have a choice without officials gatekeeping their knowledge. (I.e. we shouldn’t nanny adults)

          • unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            101·
            1 year ago

            I don’t think the main point of the barriers is preventing suicide specifically, but safety in general. Preventing suicide is more of a bonus.

      • HelixDab2@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        That assumes that the person was going to die regardless, while in reality lots of people can and do get the support that they need.

        Lots, but not the majority. Most people simply have to live in misery, because help is usually paywalled, or delayed badly by funding cuts to public health. Restricting the means to commit suicide without also making help fully accessible to everyone that needs it, and available when they need it, increases suffering.