• _NoName_@lemmy.ml
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    Kinda hate that they put starving in quotes. It’s a word at that point fellas, I don’t think you need to treat it like a quote. Just makes it look like you don’t think the UN definition of starving is a legit definition.

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    11 months ago

    I wonder how many Hamas fighters are without food.

    Hamas doesn’t give a shit about it’s own civilians either.

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      11 months ago

      Israel is starving the population of 2.3 million. It would take some serious mental gymnastics to blame Hamas for that.

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        Hamas is the official government and controls the army/militants of Gaza, they intentionally massacred almost a thousand civilians in Israel, and then expect them not to close off the border? It was their fucking choice that the border got slammed shut.

        On top of Israel, Egypt could let as much aid in as they want through the Rafa crossing, but they’re not allowing much through because they agree with Israel on the current policy. This isn’t just Israel being mean.

        There aren’t massive mental gymnastics happening here, this is literally what large world governments are supporting right now. Civilians in these countries are upset at the humanitarian costs, but they simply don’t understand the complexity of the situation.

        Iran could stop smuggling weapons to Hamas and end this whole thing very quickly. That’s the point though, Iran doesn’t give a shit about Palestinians, they’re just using them as a pawn to hurt Israel. Hamas’ leaders don’t even live in Gaza, they’re calling the shots from nearby countries where they’re nice and safe and fed.

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          this is literally what large world governments are supporting

          You know someone’s full of shit when they pull out gems like this. The clownification of arguments at its peak.

          Not only is it a bogus argument, the UN (ie “large world governments”) has been trying to curb the mistreatment of Palestine by Israel for decades which is routinely vetoed by the US and only the US. The term “large world governments” makes no sense other than trying to give weight to your bogus argument. And to top it off, and as is tradition these days, let’s shove in the word “literally” in a desperate attempt to validate whatever bullshit comes after it.

          I wouldn’t dream of uttering the term “mental gymnastics” after what you just shat out, because what you’re spewing is nothing short of revisionist.

          Israel installed a system of apartheid, kept it going for decades, deprived an entire people of their dignity, routinely bombed them, kidnapped and tortured their children, first aid workers, journalists, while openly talking about wanting to drive the complete existence of Palestine into the sea, and then when a desperate animal that was backed into a corner snaps and does something out of desperation, your moronic reaction is “see what they did, how could they!”. Well son, they could because they were given no other option, but you leave that entire history out of your equation either out of sheer ignorance or because you realize it would completely undermine your rhetoric.

          There’s no explanation for the kind of moronic argument you’re trying put together here, other than you being completely oblivious to what on earth is going on there. I’d suggest you stop watching whatever TV station you’re glued to, because it sounds like you get your wisdom from the love child of Carlson Tucker and Bill O’Reilly.

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            The UN is NOT large world governments. It’s an international body with no authority to enforce anything. The US, UK, Canada, Most of Western Europe and others are all still supporting Israel.

            You might have forgotten that Israel got attacked by 5 Arab countries simultaneously the day after they declared Independence in 1948. The Arabs were pissed when the UN tried to make it a two state zone, and immediately started attacking Israel from inside and outside.

            No shit it installed a system of apartheid after that. You talk about pressuring a group and not expecting violence. This didn’t START with Israel. The Jewish people have been oppressed in that region for literally a couple thousand years. The ottomans literally had a second set of laws for them that made them second class citizens, and there were multiple massacres/attacks under their rule.

            You seem to only focus on what’s happened recently, ignoring entirely how we got here in the first place.

            You’re also justifying the killing of Israeli civilians by Palestinians as “they were given no other option.” I’m 100% sure there were options other than mass murder to protest their mistreatment. There’s a definition for what Hamas did, it’s called Terrorism.

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          Hamas is the official government and controls the army/militants of Gaza, they intentionally massacred almost a thousand civilians in Israel, and then expect them not to close off the border? It was their fucking choice that the border got slammed shut.

          Imagine your neighbour started a fight and as a result someone cut off all the food and water to your whole area and didn’t let you leave to get some. Is it “your fucking choice” to starve? Give me a break.

          But fair enough, if what you say is accurate I will add Egypt to the “killing people for no reason” list. They are quite some way behind Israel, but still.

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            If 65% of my neighbourhood supported that neighbour in attacking, we’d call that democracy.

            Hamas has popular support for attacking Israel in gaza.

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            If my neighbor killed someone then started a fight, if I had the power to remove them and then didn’t, I would expect I might be hurt from collateral damage.

            It would be more akin to Canada sending missiles into the US approved by the government and as a Canadian not expecting that the US would respond back.