The most egregious example would be Bill 21. Absolutely horrendous legislation that does nothing but marginalize those who are already marginalized. Despite what the Quebecois would like you to believe, it’s a piece of proxy legislation that aims to exclude religious and ethnic minorities from Quebec society, plain as day.
Firstly, this isn’t France. We have a charter of rights and freedoms that Quebec used a BS notwithstanding clause to get around so that they could pass the bill. Secondly, there’s practical and effective ways to curb the danger of religion without taking a) taking away people’s livelihoods b) making them choose between their faith and their job and c) forcing them to move out of the province to find a workplace that doesn’t go against Canadian ideals.
Who’s concerned then? A minority of government jobs, plenty of opportunities for people who want to display a religious sign and worst case there’s the private sector if they truly don’t agree.
Is it any different from asking the people who have the exact same jobs from not displaying their political allegiance? Both religion and freedom of expression are protected by the Canadian Charter, don’t forget that.
So there’s an imaginary line in the sand that you’ve drawn regarding how many jobs are allowed to be denied to minorities? Ever heard of the slippery slope argument?
I thank you for the kind reminder of the existence of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I wonder if the Quebec legislators have ever read it. Have you? Maybe your rights are only protected when you’re off the clock eh?
Again, what about political signs? No one complains about that… Weird right?
Quebec made the decision 60 years ago to get religion out of its institutions, only the Catholic Church was concerned at the time but today is a different reality and the Révolution Tranquille is a big part of what makes Quebec what it is today. I don’t know why someone that’s religious to the point that they wouldn’t accept to separate their private religious life from their job would want to represent a laïc government just like I don’t understand why an atheist would want to go work for the government in a theocracy.
So your argument is basically that since someone’s rights aren’t respected at a workplace, they shouldn’t work there. Is this a mask off moment or are you starting to realize what the CAQ had intended with Bill 21 all along?
We put limits to people’s rights at work all the time and for multiple reasons, wearing a uniform being one of them.
If your religion is so important to you that you can’t make the difference between your willingness to display it and your professional obligations when you represent a laïc State and you’re in a position of authority (because that’s the only people affected by Bill 21), then maybe you should reconsider your willingness to work for said government in that position because clearly you’re not in the right place.
It’s also very funny that you’re basically saying it’s ok for a religion/community to force people to wear certain clothes but it’s not ok for the State to tell the same people not to wear them. If they were so free to do what they want then removing a religious sign for 8h a day shouldn’t be an issue, shouldn’t it?
But that has nothing to do with race. It’s a continuation of the process of separating church from state that started during the quiet revolution. The goal is to minimize religious influence within the system.
As far as I know, the more progressive religious people have absolutely no problem with this law. Some people coming from countries with different religions expressed their support for this law because of how religious influence got so out of hands in their community.
People are still free to believe whatever they want and exercise their faith. Just not while they are exercising a state funding or working in a public school.
French schools in Quebec used to be managed by the Catholic Church who decided on the curriculum. Nuns and preachers were the ones teaching classes and directing schools all the way up to university level. They used to wear their religious garb while working.
When the quiet revolution happened, it was forbidden for then to wear they religious garb. They were required to dress in regular civil clothing. And over time, religion was entirely taken out of the school system.
And if you know anything about Québec’s history, you should know that the francophone populations was heavily manipulated by the Catholic Church prior to that and forced people to vote against their best interests and kept the population in a constant state of fear. Bishops were always present at possible l practically all political events and had huge control. After the quiet revolution, the québécois decided this would never happen again.
Oh the double standards. The religious minorities should be protected at all costs, but the québécois don’t deserve that same protection. It’s always the ““inclusivity/minority activists”” that are the most against Québec when Québec itself fits inside this very definition. For the common good, please just fuck off.
Can you explain what racism you are talking about?
The most egregious example would be Bill 21. Absolutely horrendous legislation that does nothing but marginalize those who are already marginalized. Despite what the Quebecois would like you to believe, it’s a piece of proxy legislation that aims to exclude religious and ethnic minorities from Quebec society, plain as day.
Just a quick look, that’s just the same as France’s law on religious iconography except only for government employees?
Trying to limit the danger of religion sounds like a good thing to me.
Firstly, this isn’t France. We have a charter of rights and freedoms that Quebec used a BS notwithstanding clause to get around so that they could pass the bill. Secondly, there’s practical and effective ways to curb the danger of religion without taking a) taking away people’s livelihoods b) making them choose between their faith and their job and c) forcing them to move out of the province to find a workplace that doesn’t go against Canadian ideals.
Did you read the bill?
Yes, I did.
Who’s concerned then? A minority of government jobs, plenty of opportunities for people who want to display a religious sign and worst case there’s the private sector if they truly don’t agree.
Is it any different from asking the people who have the exact same jobs from not displaying their political allegiance? Both religion and freedom of expression are protected by the Canadian Charter, don’t forget that.
So there’s an imaginary line in the sand that you’ve drawn regarding how many jobs are allowed to be denied to minorities? Ever heard of the slippery slope argument?
I thank you for the kind reminder of the existence of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I wonder if the Quebec legislators have ever read it. Have you? Maybe your rights are only protected when you’re off the clock eh?
Again, what about political signs? No one complains about that… Weird right?
Quebec made the decision 60 years ago to get religion out of its institutions, only the Catholic Church was concerned at the time but today is a different reality and the Révolution Tranquille is a big part of what makes Quebec what it is today. I don’t know why someone that’s religious to the point that they wouldn’t accept to separate their private religious life from their job would want to represent a laïc government just like I don’t understand why an atheist would want to go work for the government in a theocracy.
So your argument is basically that since someone’s rights aren’t respected at a workplace, they shouldn’t work there. Is this a mask off moment or are you starting to realize what the CAQ had intended with Bill 21 all along?
We put limits to people’s rights at work all the time and for multiple reasons, wearing a uniform being one of them.
If your religion is so important to you that you can’t make the difference between your willingness to display it and your professional obligations when you represent a laïc State and you’re in a position of authority (because that’s the only people affected by Bill 21), then maybe you should reconsider your willingness to work for said government in that position because clearly you’re not in the right place.
It’s also very funny that you’re basically saying it’s ok for a religion/community to force people to wear certain clothes but it’s not ok for the State to tell the same people not to wear them. If they were so free to do what they want then removing a religious sign for 8h a day shouldn’t be an issue, shouldn’t it?
But that has nothing to do with race. It’s a continuation of the process of separating church from state that started during the quiet revolution. The goal is to minimize religious influence within the system.
As far as I know, the more progressive religious people have absolutely no problem with this law. Some people coming from countries with different religions expressed their support for this law because of how religious influence got so out of hands in their community.
People are still free to believe whatever they want and exercise their faith. Just not while they are exercising a state funding or working in a public school.
French schools in Quebec used to be managed by the Catholic Church who decided on the curriculum. Nuns and preachers were the ones teaching classes and directing schools all the way up to university level. They used to wear their religious garb while working.
When the quiet revolution happened, it was forbidden for then to wear they religious garb. They were required to dress in regular civil clothing. And over time, religion was entirely taken out of the school system.
And if you know anything about Québec’s history, you should know that the francophone populations was heavily manipulated by the Catholic Church prior to that and forced people to vote against their best interests and kept the population in a constant state of fear. Bishops were always present at possible l practically all political events and had huge control. After the quiet revolution, the québécois decided this would never happen again.
Oh the double standards. The religious minorities should be protected at all costs, but the québécois don’t deserve that same protection. It’s always the ““inclusivity/minority activists”” that are the most against Québec when Québec itself fits inside this very definition. For the common good, please just fuck off.
It’s really funny how triggered you are. Believe it or not but French speakers aren’t a minority in Quebec. Wild, I know!