• Bongo_Stryker
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    Here’s an interesting article comparing some different approaches to border security: https://leitf.org/2021/04/enforcement-priorities/

    This constant “crisis at the border” bullshit is so tiresome because it is the same as all those other hot button bullshit political talking points like “get tough on crime” or “family values” or “protecting our children”. It is the eternal ongoing crisis that we can be concerned about without ever having to worry about any real solutions presenting themselves. This is a good distraction from other more pressing issues like the alarming rise in homeless population or the ever growing wealth gap.

    Further, people don’t seem to recognize that US foreign policy had a direct influence on the number of people trying to get across the southern border. So many resources and efforts were put Into destabilizing every part of Latin America, that the consequences are still being felt today.

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      10 months ago

      Its only a “constant crisis at the border” because the feds refuse to secure it. Its like climate change, its not going to stop because people want to ignore it.

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        No man, it’s a constant crisis because fox news constantly proclaims it, as it’s a sure fire way of rustling the jimmies of racist boomers, but thanks for your super low effort reply.

        Obama deported more people than any other president in history. The illegal immigrant population in the US stopped growing for the first time in decades. Because this was done by a democrat, these facts were invisible to those who preferred to wring their hands and demand something be done about all the “bad hombres” streaming across the border.

        But tell me, party of small government and low taxes and responsible spending, what sort of “secure border” are you looking for? What’s a practical, reasonable budget for a 2000 mile border? Do you want two thousand miles of concrete barriers and machine gun towers every 50 yards?

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          Fox news?

          Wow.

          Who needs fox News to know the Biden Administration is not only NOT enforcing our laws, they’re saying states that are trying to enforce our laws are breaking the law.

          Stop being so ideologically blinded.

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            Ok that sentence is not making any damn sense to me. They’re not only NOT enforcing our laws, they’re saying states that are trying to enforce our laws? What?

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            “Start making it less desirable to sneak into the US and people will stop sneaking into the U.S.”

            This seems like 100% sensible thinking.

            Unfortunately it may be easier said than done. In El Salvador for example, US intervention during the 60’s to stop workers from getting rights, and preventing a minimum wage from being set, came in the form of paramilitary groups that became death squads that would murder anyone critical of the government. Things got more violent and dangerous throughout the 70’s, and in the 80’s there was a revolution, and the US responded by pouring in more guns and bombs so the repressive government could kill even more people.

            El Salvador, once widely considered the murder capital of the world, has been pretty fubar ever since. So imagine someone willing to risk their life and walk 3000 miles for a chance at a better life. They might not be deterred very easily.

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              So imagine someone willing to risk their life and walk 3000 miles for a chance at a better life. They might not be deterred very easily.

              So then make it such that there’s nothing here for them and make sure they know that their prospects here would be worse than at home.

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              It’s easy. You put troops on the border or criminal charges for people who hire them

              My concern is Congress has done nothing to make it easier for people to immigrate legally. If we need the labor, make it easier. Illegal immigration should not be tolerated.

              To me that’s the issue. Congress.

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                  We can read a license plate from space. We can easily track and remove immigrants.

                  If we punished those who hired them harshly, you think they’d hire illegals? Imagine if the ceo for Tyson chicken went to prison. You think other CEO’s would take note?

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                    Here is a prosecution summary page of the Iran-Contra scandal: https://www.brown.edu/Research/Understanding_the_Iran_Contra_Affair/prosecutions.php

                    Despite all the clearly illegal activity, only one guy got 16 months prison for lying on his tax returns. Everybody else got probation or pardoned.

                    So I don’t think a well connected poultry CEO would ever actually do time for such a thing. It’s a nice thought tho.

                    I agree there needs to be better pathways to legal immigration. The US population growth is slowing and is projected to decline. Need more Americans.

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            Not even 'knowingly", if you hire illegals, you get punished. Most use the, well, we didn’t know they were illegal.

            I don’t hold a grudge against the illegals. They make more in an hour here than they’d make in a day in Mexico.

            I blame the Democrats and Republicans for different reasons.