• unmagical@lemmy.ml
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    Honestly it doesn’t seem to take very long at all. I watched live as the insurrectionists attempt to overturn democracy in the US during their failed auto-coup on January 6th less than 3 years ago.

    Though there was some “it’s not real” talk in the immediate aftermath the idea that it was a false flag, antifa, not an insurrection, not a big deal, just tourists having an afternoon scroll, etc. seems to be growing.

    I wonder why the “left wing radical Democrat antifa operatives engaging in a false flag attack to make Trump look bad” marched under banners with Trump’s name, admitted they were doing it for Trump, in some cases ran for office on the Republican ticket, and are actively being protected by Republican politicians.

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      Pretty astonishing when the whole thing was basically live streamed. I member watching it as it happened

      • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
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        Watching terrorist Ashli Babbitt get shot from multiple angles, then seeing comments from Trumpers like:

        1. She’s a hero
        2. She’s a false flag
        3. She’s not actually dead
        4. She didn’t do anything wrong

        And this is barely two years. Going to bet a decade from now, the misinformation will be worse.

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          Fun to consider, if these were BLM protestors doing the exact same thing, they would be cheering the loudest.

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            I bet what would be even louder would be their criticism of Capitol Police for not doing their job. It was such an important proceeding in the very Capitol of God’s chosen country, so they had more than enough justification to gun down all the darkies.

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        A recent Behind the Bastards on Alex Jones (part 1) has recordings of Info Wars from January 6 - before Jones had had a chance to call in and tell them to shut the fuck up before they got noticed as being complicit

        It’s funny (and scary) hearing them being like, “It’s all happening! The second American Revolution is underway! The Patriots have control of the Capitol!”

        Jones quickly learned that he needs his listeners to be “panic-adjacent” rather than actually in panic mode. Panicking people don’t buy brain pills.

    • The Picard Maneuver@startrek.websiteOP
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      It was a near immediate campaign to convince people not to believe their lying eyes and ears. I think deep down, the spin doctors know that they’re lying though.

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        Oh, is it time for that Sartre quote again?

        “Never believe that [they] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. [They] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

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        It’s not that deep. They want power and will lie cheat and steal the entire country to achieve it.

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        Conspiracy people swing from “I only believe my own eyes and ears” to “I don’t believe even what I see”. Essentially the only reality is the construct in their minds and it will be defended at all costs to protect their ego.

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      Same thing in Canada with the fucker convoy in Ottawa. Traitors tried to overthrow a democratically elected government, literal fascists were present and Ottawa was held captive by these morons. Conservatives attempt to frame it as fake and a party. Fuck them.

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        The hell? None of what you just said happened. There were a lot of attempts to make that seem so. Remember the rash of police chiefs resigning and that bullshit with the stolen semi full of guns from a cop shop? The only literal fascists there were the fucking cops you clown.

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          The facists and racists have existed before Canada was a country but people just keep conveniently forgetting. Except back then they were the ones in power.

          Of course, literal records of Parliament don’t.

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      I was sitting in a control room at work while it was happening and all the conservative coworkers I had were saying “Look at all those Antifa’s pretending to be Trump supporters!”

      I’m glad I left that job…

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        Probably the same people who go “The government is incapable of running anything” and the next thing out of their mouth is how the government is running some perfectly secret massive plot. Somehow it is top secret but people like them know about it.

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      Yeah they fucking broadcast that whole thing at much as they could. They thought they were the heroes sweeping in to save the day and they would be vindicated.

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      Well, see, the mistake was expecting any of this to make sense. They gave up on even pretending to make sense a long time ago, it is all Gish galloping away now - because, as long as you say the Magic Keywords that make people’s brains make with the angry chemicals, it doesn’t actually necessarily matter what else you say.