• SCB@lemmy.world
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    This is how you avoid another terror org seizing power in the vacuum after Hamas is removed.

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      This has literally never worked. Occupation forces in opposition to the local populace always create more violence, not less.

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      No, this is how you create car bombs in residential areas, suicide vests in crowded markets, and more abductions with fewer reunions.

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          Which is how we know it will get worse with the actions being taken

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            I very strongly disagree that taking away the ability for your enemy to make war on you puts you in a more dangerous situation.

            This war has already happened. You can’t un-fuck a chicken. If there was no war, then I think you’d have a lot more ground to stand on here.

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              Every place that is occupied gets more partisan violence.

              This isn’t opinion, it is a lesson learned during every occupation.

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                Gaza was already occupied. Step outside your thought pattern and consider what I’m actually saying.

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                  Which further makes my point.

                  An occupied territory with partisan violence gets more occupation, which gets more partisan violence.

                  Do you work for an occupying force, because that’s the only way occupation makes sense.

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                    No I just didn’t bring my personal emotions and biases into this discussion. One merits alone, you have to have a plan for after this war, and “our bad, we’re leaving” is the worst of those options.

                    That’s why I said

                    This war has already happened. You can’t un-fuck a chicken. If there was no war, then I think you’d have a lot more ground to stand on here.

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          Yes. Both Isreal and gazans are victims of hamas. That doesn’t mean idf can keep punishing everything in Gaza for hamas

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            That doesn’t mean idf can keep punishing everything in Gaza for hamas

            this ship sailed in late October when Israel decided to pound the fuck out of Gaza - a decision everyone (especially Hamas) knew they’d make, and a decision that everyone (especially Hamas) knew would worsen the problem.

            Staying, helping rebuild, offering humanitarian aid, and functioning as an interim government is by far the best route forward, because there are no good routes forward.

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              And when are they going to do that? Because they’ve yet to do that for those living on any land they have taken over