Mans has gone hollow, doesn’t think the atmosphere and lore are a major draw of FromSoft Souls games. So much so that nesrly every other Soulslike has tried to have a mind blowing story. Look at the genre dude, its painted in Miyazaki’s favorite colors.
Edit: and soulslikes really refers to two things:
currency experience
dropping it when you die
That seems to be what the industry has decided on when they tag a game “soulslike”. But they’re missing the most vital pieces. Thats why “2D rpgs with deep lore” are role playing games and not soulslikes.
You can, but specifically, soulslikes have currency experience, you drop it, and there are checkpoints that refresh the area. Its a specific gameplay loop and mechanical feel that makes it a soulslike. Yes, they are technically RPGs in the same way an IPA is also a beer. Idk what you’re pulling at. I can frame Fallout as a survival horror. These bins we put games into are slightly arbitrary, but it means they contain systems that are alike and provide much of the same feel or user experience. Fallout does not provide the same user experience as dark souls. If you want to discuss in good faith I’m all for it. But you seemingly want a battle of wits, and have arrived unarmed.
I was arguing for the opposite. A GaaS soulslike would be filled with garbage content and uninteresting bosses due to the development environment created by the unending stream of new “content”. You can do it, but its not going to taste good.
Then make it dude. Make that big pile of shit. Stress your devs out so they can’t place all the tiny details in the environment that connect the boss to the area. Shit out new areas and bosses so fast they have no lore. Watch, as your game sells none because soulslike players aren’t there just for the mechanics. Which, speaking of mechanics, they will be garbage too. Do it. I won’t stop you.
Mans has gone hollow, doesn’t think the atmosphere and lore are a major draw of FromSoft Souls games. So much so that nesrly every other Soulslike has tried to have a mind blowing story. Look at the genre dude, its painted in Miyazaki’s favorite colors.
Edit: and soulslikes really refers to two things:
That seems to be what the industry has decided on when they tag a game “soulslike”. But they’re missing the most vital pieces. Thats why “2D rpgs with deep lore” are role playing games and not soulslikes.
I don’t think anyone would call Outward a Souls-like but apparently it is based on your definition
Also you can make a 2D RPG with currency experience and hardcore death, people won’t call it souls-like unless you’re rolling around a boss
Is RuneScape souls-like if you’re a hardcore? What about playing fallout as a hardcore?
Steam disagrees with you.
You can, but specifically, soulslikes have currency experience, you drop it, and there are checkpoints that refresh the area. Its a specific gameplay loop and mechanical feel that makes it a soulslike. Yes, they are technically RPGs in the same way an IPA is also a beer. Idk what you’re pulling at. I can frame Fallout as a survival horror. These bins we put games into are slightly arbitrary, but it means they contain systems that are alike and provide much of the same feel or user experience. Fallout does not provide the same user experience as dark souls. If you want to discuss in good faith I’m all for it. But you seemingly want a battle of wits, and have arrived unarmed.
Steam also thinks Valhiem and Grounded are Souls-like then, I think you can find a better argument
Read the rest of my comment.
I thought I would give you a chance
But I did see you argue it’s not about story and not about losing progress when you die. that it is something that could be a live service
I just didn’t think it helped your argument of the opposite
I was arguing for the opposite. A GaaS soulslike would be filled with garbage content and uninteresting bosses due to the development environment created by the unending stream of new “content”. You can do it, but its not going to taste good.
This isn’t the opposite
Those are all things independent of story and can be done in GaaS
That exists under all GaaS, it doesn’t change the genre. A game doesn’t have to be good to be a Souls-like
Darks Souls x Genshin is still a Souls-like so how do you figure it’s not?
Then make it dude. Make that big pile of shit. Stress your devs out so they can’t place all the tiny details in the environment that connect the boss to the area. Shit out new areas and bosses so fast they have no lore. Watch, as your game sells none because soulslike players aren’t there just for the mechanics. Which, speaking of mechanics, they will be garbage too. Do it. I won’t stop you.
Learning enemies is the core gameplay loop of a souls like.
Content churn is antithetical to everything the genre stands for.