In the last few days I've been fortunate to witness an interesting chapter
in the Internet's history, and I'm trying to compile a timeline of what has
happened while the memories are still reasonably fresh. This is incomplete
and a work in progress; I'll be updating it, and n...
The former tend to be free-speech instance aligned even if they’re not themselves. They have a tendency to federate with them. There is also a significant amount of ecchi content in the free-speech half of the fedi. Furries are tolerated on the “blue” side because they’re nice to people and don’t put up with racism, sexism, etc. When you’ve been around it long enough you start to recognize the patterns.
As the article explains in the time-line the shunning of these Japanese instances (that are only to a small percentage about lolicon) was almost instant over a moral outrage about what is perceived as child pornography so they never really had a chance to be part of the “blue side” fediverse. Obviously as a result they are now part of the “free-speech” fediverse as that is the only ones left federating with them… but in reality they are as big as either the “red” or “blue” part of the fediverse and thus form their own part.
Furries somehow got lucky and passed through that moral outrage filter, probably because it is even more weird and not technically illegal in most western countries.
I’m not ever going to argue in favor of lolicon. Sorry. Finding it morally wrong is justified and anyone who doesn’t want to see that shit has a right to avoid it and defederate. Changing the language to “shunning” and suggesting that defederating from pro-lolicon instances is somehow racist doesn’t change that. I’ve seen plenty of chinese and japanese language instances in the TL that don’t tolerate that stuff.
And frankly, I don’t give a shit about furries because they’re not attracted to literal children.
Umm, that seems like a very slippery slope. Some people might argue that furries are attracted to animals and thus might harm them. But obviously that isn’t the case. The same sort of misunderstanding is what the Japanese say about the difference between real child pornography and lolicon.
In another time, gays and trans-persons would have seen a similar kind of moral outrage. But luckily most people in the west have grown and accepted this as long as it is all consensual and no one is harmed.
Edit: I am not arguing pro child pornography at all :(
I don’t think he is. I think he is admitting that what is considered child pornography varies from a community/culture to another. Does that mean that any of those position aren’t inherently dangerous and should not be actively fought against ? Of course not !
The question about the moral interactions between culturally distant communities is at the heart of this debate, and I don’t think there is a simple answer. And on that, I think I deeply agree with you when you argue that communities choosing who to federate (or not federate) with is a very good approach that mimics real life.
Let’s just keep in mind that this method does not implies that anything that lies outside of a community moral standards should be blocked without a debate. But there are things that should clearly not be up to debate, I do not argue that.
Hmmm, somehow you are arguing a different topic/fight then what I was talking about.
Pawoo and lolicons (or Furries or what ever) are not fascist harassment or pseudo-free speech instances.
Obviously against coordinated attacks like you are talking about, de-federation is the right approach.
The former tend to be free-speech instance aligned even if they’re not themselves. They have a tendency to federate with them. There is also a significant amount of ecchi content in the free-speech half of the fedi. Furries are tolerated on the “blue” side because they’re nice to people and don’t put up with racism, sexism, etc. When you’ve been around it long enough you start to recognize the patterns.
As the article explains in the time-line the shunning of these Japanese instances (that are only to a small percentage about lolicon) was almost instant over a moral outrage about what is perceived as child pornography so they never really had a chance to be part of the “blue side” fediverse. Obviously as a result they are now part of the “free-speech” fediverse as that is the only ones left federating with them… but in reality they are as big as either the “red” or “blue” part of the fediverse and thus form their own part.
Furries somehow got lucky and passed through that moral outrage filter, probably because it is even more weird and not technically illegal in most western countries.
I’m not ever going to argue in favor of lolicon. Sorry. Finding it morally wrong is justified and anyone who doesn’t want to see that shit has a right to avoid it and defederate. Changing the language to “shunning” and suggesting that defederating from pro-lolicon instances is somehow racist doesn’t change that. I’ve seen plenty of chinese and japanese language instances in the TL that don’t tolerate that stuff.
And frankly, I don’t give a shit about furries because they’re not attracted to literal children.
Umm, that seems like a very slippery slope. Some people might argue that furries are attracted to animals and thus might harm them. But obviously that isn’t the case. The same sort of misunderstanding is what the Japanese say about the difference between real child pornography and lolicon.
In another time, gays and trans-persons would have seen a similar kind of moral outrage. But luckily most people in the west have grown and accepted this as long as it is all consensual and no one is harmed.
Edit: I am not arguing pro child pornography at all :(
Holy shit, you’re literally arguing for child porn. Blocked.
I don’t think he is. I think he is admitting that what is considered child pornography varies from a community/culture to another. Does that mean that any of those position aren’t inherently dangerous and should not be actively fought against ? Of course not !
The question about the moral interactions between culturally distant communities is at the heart of this debate, and I don’t think there is a simple answer. And on that, I think I deeply agree with you when you argue that communities choosing who to federate (or not federate) with is a very good approach that mimics real life.
Let’s just keep in mind that this method does not implies that anything that lies outside of a community moral standards should be blocked without a debate. But there are things that should clearly not be up to debate, I do not argue that.