Yeah. Just to add, it is ostensibly meant to be a way of going “hey, it looks like your performance is suffering. Maybe this is due to workload, stress, etc. problems. Let’s work together to get you back on track”. But of course it is really a sinister way to invent reasons why someone needs to be fired. Because if you get fired after PIP then HR can say “well we tried our best to help you succeed and you just couldn’t do it”
They are a way of gaslighting and victim blaming an employee while firing them.
Or they’re a tool to give the employee some quantifiable and measurable areas they need to improve on. This way both sides are clear of expectations and there’s no surprises.
Not all bosses suck. I’ve had to put a few people on them and they’ve helped, never had to fire someone afterwards.
That’s certainly a possibility, but if someone told me they were put on a PIP, and asked me what they should expect, I’d tell them that in all likelihood it means that they are going to be let go in the near future.
It’s a different story if the company does regular performance management with all employees. For example I work in the public sector and we do annual performance reviews, but also annual performance agreements, which are basically PIPs but without the prerequisite that performance has diminished.
Well yes. A PIP is a last resort. It’s what you do when coaching, mentoring, and flat out ordering haven’t worked. If you get to this stage you’re at the precipice.
At my previous job I think they actually published stats on pips internally and it was like 50% success rate. I mean it’s not great but the alternative is you just get straight up fired. I think PIP is probably generally a good thing.
Nah you just don’t get it. Firing is a capitalist invention designed by the elite to keep the population down. Everyone is an excellent employee and every manager everywhere is getting a bonus and poorly utilizing team skills.
Yeah. Just to add, it is ostensibly meant to be a way of going “hey, it looks like your performance is suffering. Maybe this is due to workload, stress, etc. problems. Let’s work together to get you back on track”. But of course it is really a sinister way to invent reasons why someone needs to be fired. Because if you get fired after PIP then HR can say “well we tried our best to help you succeed and you just couldn’t do it”
They are a way of gaslighting and victim blaming an employee while firing them.
Or they’re a tool to give the employee some quantifiable and measurable areas they need to improve on. This way both sides are clear of expectations and there’s no surprises.
Not all bosses suck. I’ve had to put a few people on them and they’ve helped, never had to fire someone afterwards.
That’s certainly a possibility, but if someone told me they were put on a PIP, and asked me what they should expect, I’d tell them that in all likelihood it means that they are going to be let go in the near future.
It’s a different story if the company does regular performance management with all employees. For example I work in the public sector and we do annual performance reviews, but also annual performance agreements, which are basically PIPs but without the prerequisite that performance has diminished.
Well yes. A PIP is a last resort. It’s what you do when coaching, mentoring, and flat out ordering haven’t worked. If you get to this stage you’re at the precipice.
This 100%. If you’re at the point where a PIP is happening, the employee shouldn’t be surprised by it.
What does the half shield next to your username mean?
He’s your rival
Not sure what you mean by half shield since that’s probably specific to your client, but likely cause I’m one of the admins for lemmy.ca.
At my previous job I think they actually published stats on pips internally and it was like 50% success rate. I mean it’s not great but the alternative is you just get straight up fired. I think PIP is probably generally a good thing.
I’ve issued like 10 pips in my time managing I have a 40% success rate. Plenty of companies really do try to make them successful.
Bad faith only works because it resembles good faith.
It’s still horseshit.
Gonna disagree with you and say, “ALL bosses suck.” by virtue of the power differential.
“Not all bosses suck”
Said By: A boss that fires people.
That tracks.
They literally said “never had to fire anyone”
But… ok, sure let’s go with your “interpretation”
Firing people does not mean you’re a bad boss.
Nah you just don’t get it. Firing is a capitalist invention designed by the elite to keep the population down. Everyone is an excellent employee and every manager everywhere is getting a bonus and poorly utilizing team skills.
I feel like you’re being sarcastic but I’ve seen enough posts here to think you might be serious.
And you’ll never know!