With that logic the fact that the government has criminalized an act makes everyone who does it “sub-human” or “voluntarily given up their equality to other people”?
I’m not sure that’s a good road to go down. You don’t give up anything when you commit a crime. The reason we can imprison/punish criminals is that the social contract includes being subject to the outcome of a fair trial.
Right…but now we’ve drilled down to discussing the many and exciting types of crime. Some times, while waiting for a trial, the man or woman accused of maiming/killing has made it clear that he or she would prefer to maim/kill some more. Let’s call this the Putin type. Rare type, but it happens. So we prevent him or her from doing that. Do we agree that keeping Putin types locked up before trial is a good idea? What road are we going down, again?
Please be specific, I’m not sure we even are in disagreement on anything, because I’m not sure what you’re arguing for or against. Putin type kept away from fire arms, yes/no? What are your premises?
You said criminals give up equality to other humans when they voluntarily choose to commit crimes.
I said all people are equal even if they break the law. The reason we can punish criminals is not because they give up equality or become sub human, but rather because the social contract includes justice.
I don’t see how the type of crime or the type of punishment is relevant. I don’t see what Putin has to do with this either.
With that logic the fact that the government has criminalized an act makes everyone who does it “sub-human” or “voluntarily given up their equality to other people”?
I’m not sure that’s a good road to go down. You don’t give up anything when you commit a crime. The reason we can imprison/punish criminals is that the social contract includes being subject to the outcome of a fair trial.
Right…but now we’ve drilled down to discussing the many and exciting types of crime. Some times, while waiting for a trial, the man or woman accused of maiming/killing has made it clear that he or she would prefer to maim/kill some more. Let’s call this the Putin type. Rare type, but it happens. So we prevent him or her from doing that. Do we agree that keeping Putin types locked up before trial is a good idea? What road are we going down, again? Please be specific, I’m not sure we even are in disagreement on anything, because I’m not sure what you’re arguing for or against. Putin type kept away from fire arms, yes/no? What are your premises?
You said criminals give up equality to other humans when they voluntarily choose to commit crimes.
I said all people are equal even if they break the law. The reason we can punish criminals is not because they give up equality or become sub human, but rather because the social contract includes justice.
I don’t see how the type of crime or the type of punishment is relevant. I don’t see what Putin has to do with this either.