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  • ProbablyBaysean
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    4 days ago

    My wages are suppressed due to the union being busted/weakened due to the prevalence of illegal immigrants in my industry. The illegals are not building the community, they are building their community. I more blame the billionaires for creating conditions for this, but many of my coworkers are very racist and feel like it is justified.

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      4 days ago

      The illegals are not building the community, they are building their community.

      ME ME ME ME ME

      racist and feel like it is justified.

      Yeah centrist my ass. You had a purpose pretending in 2016, why don’t you just go put on your mask and breaking into your neighbors homes already since it aint your white community.

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        3 days ago

        The first assumption in every social contract is self-interest. The second is that putting forth effort is adverse (you don’t like it). The rest of the social contract is normally about how to get effort with a mix of motivations that start with self interest. Altruism is not the basis of a social contract. When you started with “ME ME ME ME ME”, I think you were mocking the rational thought of individuals in a community. I’m not saying you are wrong, but the act of mocking is the very divisive behavior that I wish never became the primary way of communicating about political issues.

        If a person is surrounded by racists and is raised by rascists then decides to be less racist when they leave the community they grew up in, does that make the person who is objectively at least somewhat racist not worth anything? I feel like you are trying to dismiss me and where-I-am-at out of hand because my current industry and community is leaning racist. I think you have specifically called me “purposely pretending” and really a kkk member at home? No to all of the above, and I think you are being really divisive as you do it. This pattern of behavior (mocking, divisive, and dismissive of nuance and context) is why we cannot have “wisdom of crowds” because there are no “third places” where a rational discussion about needs, perspectives, and solutions can be had.

        People are less antagonistic if we could gather “freedom of assembly” and not get doxxed. I am currently building a community as best as i can. I also respect anyone who “votes with their feet” by moving from a bad spot into a better spot (some of the illegals I have met seem to be hardworking and just trying to give their family a better life). The more information i give, the more likely you or someone else will doxx me, so ill leave it at that. I do lean toward “privacy is a key ingredient to free speech”.

        Good day.

        • 7toed@midwest.social
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          3 days ago

          Why dont you follow some of the scriptures you tout? Maybe there’s something you’ve missed.

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            2 days ago

            I think this is another mocking/snarky comment. I’ll try to respond as if you made it in good faith.

            Growing up members of my community would joke that “for every message in the Bible, there is an equal and opposite message in the Bible”. If you are asking me to follow only “some” of the scriptures that i tout, then I could very easily follow the ones that align with my current behavior.

            I actually have tried several times to separate “culture” from “policy” from “unchanging godly doctrine”. I have searched and I feel like I have found some “godly patterns” that are context agnostic.

            1. God is no respecter of persons (it doesnt matter what you are compared to any one else, and he considers your context)
            2. God could have designed this world in any way, manner, shape, social, etc. and he didn’t do anything differently from what we have, so there is something extremely important from the patterns we are seeing around us and the sufferings we endure right now.
            3. God designed us to have familys - a period of time where we are helpless, a period of time where we are independent, and a period of time helping others who are helpless, and that we are to learn some key things while in those stages of life (to be able to recognize god’s family as different/better/same as our experiences and feelings of love (and other feelings of the spirit)). I am sure someone will want me to debate this with them, and to them i would say go ponder & pray about how evolution could fit into god’s plan without becoming athiest.
            4. There is a law given before the foundation of the earth upon which all blessings are predicated. Aka God is a scientist and wants us to be scientists.
            5. Christ himself said the words of isaiah are great, and Isaiah tended to have a pattern of “diagnosis, prognosis, and prescription”. Therefore context matters when trying to heal yourself or others.
            6. I could go on and on.

            I have not spent my life studying racism, but a few ones come off the top of my head:

            • the jews (tribe of Gibeon) were commanded to kill every last human that they saw even the women and children as they came upon a plateau and when they didn’t, their children were cursed for several generations. Joshua 9. Specifically Joshua 9:14-15 and 23.
            • the only story of a non jew becoming a jew that i remember was the story of Ruth. Ruth 1. (Substantially all other interactions with non jews are heavy with racism).
            • The one story that finally opened up christianity from racism-favoring-direct-decendents-of-abraham to everyone was Acts 10. Specifically Acts 10:9-16.
            • Christ did some cool stuff with the samaritans, but his ministry was not unto them, so he didn’t work among them as in depth as he did with the jews.
            • Looking at other scriptures (the book of mormon), there are two civilizations whose timelines are loosely similar to the Olmecs (Jaredites) and the Mayans (Nephites & lamanites). The records of the nephites and lamanites have several wars, propaganda against the other group, etc., and the people of god always would share that the poor would not be naked or hungry, but once there was preachers taking money (aka priestcraft) or people got rich then a war would start within a few years.

            To summarize the scriptures regarding racism: for every message, there is an equal and opposite message, so I cant trust you and i cant trust my parents and I can’t trust the paid preacher, so Ill have to try to find the godly patterns myself and pray that my efforts will be perfected/made-complete.

            My parents interpretation of the scriptures was loosely that you keep to your own and be extra careful when out of your culture/assumptions. This meant they tended to be “nice people” and a little condescending when someone was visiting and not with “their people”, but one of my best friends growing up was black and in highschool I spent most saturdays at a friend’s house with a latina mom. My parent’s perspective and my approach is not explicitly against the teachings of the scriptures there and even has support from several passages.