• remotelove
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    23 hours ago

    Your compassion for animals is awesome but your information about how and why viruses mutate and spread seems very flawed.

    Yes, viruses may spread faster through animals in captivity which could lead to higher rates of virus mutations. But no, it’s not the cause of every pandemic you have ever heard about. Pinning the cause on one specific behavior is beyond false.

    The black death, specifically, was likely transmitted to humans via fleas from rats, as an example. What’s key, is that nobody has even been able to prove that completely.

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      22 hours ago

      Are you aware rats and fleas are animals too? Humans and animals living close together is the reason viruses mutate. It’s why Europe had many plagues while the americas had none. As soon as Europeans landed there, we brought mayhem with all the viruses we brought with us. It’s because we domesticated animals, while in the americas they did not. We had many rats because of the poor hygiene and living so close together, with others and animals. We should make sure we distance ourselves from many different kinds of animals to reduce the chance or mutations.

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        7 hours ago

        Viruses mutate with almost every division. Hell, almost every strand of DNA that divides has mutations. It’s a natural phenomenon and not exclusively caused by one particular thing or situation.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

        You seem to be mixing up a few key aspects of how and why new strains are formed, and somehow, you are overestimating the transmissibility of a virus between different animals.

        It’s like you understand some of the key concepts of this stuff, but animal domestication somehow got mixed in as a root cause for natural processes.

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        12 hours ago

        Mmm yes that’s why explorers and colonists famously never got sick with diseases from the “New World”.

        Hides Malaria and Ebola under a rug.

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          Just because Europe was so packed with people and animals together so much more viruses mutated into plagues doesn’t mean other continents were immune to developing plagues. What is your point? You don’t agree living close with animals increases the chance of mutations? Or are you in favor of exotic animals in cages? Or do you deny Europeans brought loads of diseases to the Americas? What are you trying to accomplish here? All these things I wrote are scientific and historical facts.

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            7 hours ago

            No they aren’t. Black plague was spread by rats and most likely came from the silk road. You’re talking about pop history, not actual history.

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        14 hours ago

        The Americas had less domestic animal species yes, but they had their own plagues, they just weren’t recorded.

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        21 hours ago

        On the flip side, every species that allowed itself to be domesticated is now at its highest population levels in all of history. There are more cattle, dogs, cats, chickens, sheep, etc alive today than ever before.

        Yes, there is disease that will jump species and that sucks but that’s just life, yo. Even with those that died from that, across all specific species in relation to man, every single species had and is still better off for the arrangement. The stories can be told in the sheer numbers alone.