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  • Herman&Chomsky provide some good insights, but there are major shortcomings and points where they are outright false. Among others, it is often cited by anti-democratic propagandists. China uses this book, it’s among the very view Western books that are not censored in China, there is even a Chinese translation. They use Chomsky&Herman to criticize democracy and human rights (China’s criticism of capitalism is sort of a pretext).

    Tankies and other communities use it as some sort of ultimate truth. This is rubbish.

    Chomsky is even conveying pro-Russian, anti-Ukrainian viewpoints in the meantime (here is an older article, I am sure you know Chomsky’s hypotheses).

    Don’t get me wrong, but sometimes I am wondering how many of those citing the book have really read it.

    As someone already wrote in another thread, the moderation in this community seems to follow personal preferences rather than justifyable rules.






  • As I said, I fully support that this is an issue, and it’s a good article. I wouldn’t have expected to be in this commmunity. When I see a comm called ‘Socialism’ I wouldn’t expext an analysis on the Haji in Saudi Arabia. But it’s a big problem for all of us, and especially for countries like SA where it’s already been hot even before the climate change, of course.

    Addition: Global coal demand is on the rise as you might have read, just posted something. Why has that been deleted?


  • Let me say that this is on you and Beehaw, I just think it is an article about the Haji. The solution here is to just provide enough cooling methods I would say. I feel putting this in a wider ‘capitalist and climate’ frame is a bit overdone.

    Climate change is our all issue, and it’s caused by self-defined capitalist and socialist countries alike. Similar things happen in Brazil’s Amazon region, in Asia, almost across China’s BRI, and across the globe. It’s not unique to socialism.

    But, again, it’s on you and I don’t want to make that a big issue. Sometimes it’s better to agree to disagree :-)



  • Saudi authorities have installed air-conditioned shelters and other cooling methods. But these are only available to pilgrims with official permits. Most of those who died did not have permits, meaning they could not access cool relief.

    This is absolutely devastating, there’s absolutely no doubt. When reading the article, though, I didn’t understand why this is an article in this particular community. Maybe Saudi Arabia should provide more cooling methods, or not let too many people in?

    Although climate change is, of course, caused by Western-style capitalism, it is by far not the only reason. China, a socialist country, is the world’s largest coal producer and importer, and coal likely remains the bedrock of China’s energy system for at least another decade.

    I feel this is a well-researched article, but maybe the wrong community?








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    When they do it, it’s “subsidies” When we do it, it’s “investment”The list of government incentives in the UK is long but If china is doing even more , that’s up to them right ? But it’s always implied it’s some kind of foul play.

    Just look at the Chinese ‘subsidies’ system and you’ll see it can’t be compared to those in the West for a variety of reasons. And then add to that the forced labour regimes in Xinjiang and at BYD’s factory in Brazil (the authorities in Brazil just closed a BYD factory because of ‘slavery’-like conditions).