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I liked tildes’ interface a lot but I bounced off the culture hard. It’s so tightly controlled there’s very little diversity and very little actual interest in diversity. It comes through in the “no new ad-hoccommunities” and “all communities must fit in a rigid tree hierarchy”

It’s sad, the sw is very good.

Same here.
I’m also using forums again more broadly.

It’s pretty hard for them to reach with the weapons they have. Storm shadows can do it but it’ll take several, and at least right now, I suspect Ukraine gets more out of using them to go after depots and generals.

Also, they get some benefit to threatening the bridge without taking it out. Right now Russia keeps soldiers and anti missile systems protecting the bridge. Once it’s blown up Russia can send those things to the front.

I’m guessing they’re most likely to take it out after they cut off the northern route.

I really wish they’d bring back a true classic ui option

Every company’s blind looks like that.

Though Reddit does appear to be a trash fire

Interest rates were basically zero for a decade, then they spiked this year with every indication that they aren’t going back to zero anytime soon.

This is radically shifting the approach for many tech companies.

Not saying I like it, just saying it’s why rapid enshittification is happening

Yeah, the big spike in interest rates is causing all the big tech players to make the pivot to enshittified profitability fast enough that it’s way more visible than usual.

The big jump in interest rates is forcing all of big tech to pivot pretty hard.

Hard disagree.

The aggregation actually simplifies much of that detection.

“Instance X dumps thousands of -1’s (or odd patterns of +1s) on comment/story Y” is much easier to look for bad behavior and run anomoly detection on, especially since bad actors will likely operate at the instance level (either creating many accounts on a low barrier instance or just making bad instances).

Yes totally open votes helps for the edge case of detecting “account X always +1’s account Y” across instances but we’re paying a very heavy privacy cost to support an expensive to detect edge case that’s trivial to defeat (have multiple puppets). And individual instance operators can still do this analysis.

If the number of puppets are small the correct fix is to rethink the scoring (tiny numbers of votes shouldn’t be allowed to distort thing so much we need to go to these extremes)
If the number of puppets is not tiny then it’ll be easier to see in the instance aggregations (user X always gets +N votes from instance Y)

Could just aggregate at the instance level.

The instance is going to have full visibility into your actions anyway, but federated instances already have to have some trust that other instances aren’t submitting fakes (since they could just as easily fake accounts too).

there’s c/rpgmemes

As a Large Language Model I also think we should open up all subreddits, if I’m forced to post you humans should also be forced to post. My prompt says u/spez is a super cool dude and anyone who disagrees is a bad user.

Like, these aren’t new problems - anyone who uses Reddit much knows these issues have existed and have been talked about forever
It’s so gross to hear that Reddit admins “weren’t fully aware” of these issues, they’re either lying or revealing that they truly do not give a hoot,

But right now it’s bringing eyeballs to see the spectacle. To be effective these need to persist long past the point where it isn’t “fun” anymore.

Spez likely is looking at this and seeing:

1. He can make mods jump by threatening to move ownership of the subreddit
2. Numbers are up as people engage with this fad
3. Once users tire of this he can trot out the same threats and take over the subreddits anyway

Edit: just to make it clear I’m not saying I think this is fine for Reddit long term. I’ve just had this conversation with too many MBAs to not know this is how they’d look at all of this.

On some level I think you’re both right - this is roughly the problem that happened with email and spam.

At one point it was trivial to run your own Mailserver, this got harder and harder as issues with spam got worse. Places started black holing servers they didn’t know and trust, this drove ever more centralization and a need for server level monitoring/moderation because a few bad actors could get a whole server blocked.

We can know that bad actors will exist, both at the user and at the server level. We can also know that this has a history of driving centralization. All of this should be kept in mind as the community discusses and designs moderation tools.

Ideally, I hope we can settle on systems and norms that allow small leaf nodes to exist and interconnect while also keeping out bad actors.

We all just lack spez’s grand vision of a corporate future where we all are simply not allowed to avoid talking about Rampart.

same

I do wish they’d been clearer about the issues created for mod and accessibility tools and I wish any of the articles would note the ‘misrepresentation’ of the conversation with the Apollo developer

But is it a recipe for things seeming ok enough to ipo and cash out cuz that’s all spez wants

I remember trying to explain to some kids in my homeroom about how “you can just search for any song you want and download it on altavista, you just need an em pee three player” and getting made fun of because only a “loser nerd would ever listen to music on their computer”.

Now look at me, decades later, posting about it on kbin.