Please be patient, I have neurological problems up the wazoo…
I’ll try to. I’m really bad at reading by myself, so talking to people is the way I normally learn about things and understand them, it just sucks that I’m bad at talking to people too :'D
I understand more, though I still think most people will just not want to hear a socialist again rather than try to be different next time they decide to. But it’s true that major cultural shifts in things are enforced. Honestly I didn’t really notice before you said it to me.
I thought you were getting angry at me so I tried to defuse the situation, I’m very bad at reading people so I’m sorry if I thought wrong. I didn’t demand anything from you I just asked.
What you’re saying makes sense I suppose I’ve just never seen that happen with someone else. In my experience being a mean bully just gives people a reason to dismiss you without having to engage with you…
oh I didn’t know thanks, sorry
the economist is the worst newspaper I have ever read, it’s so disconnected from reality, I remember reading a post titled “Why aren’t millenials buying diamonds?”… taking it seriously is a huge red flag for me
You think we should respond nicely to people who are NOT participating in good faith, just because they’re being “”““civil””“”.
No that is not what I’m saying… I’m actually talking about being nice to people not civil at all. If your aim is to convince, its useful to be calm and respectful regardless of how rude or disingenuous the other person is, because in the internet other people may be watching the debate and that way of behaving is a lot more convincing than if you’re rude in return. Bad faith isn’t the same as rude, though they often happen at the same time…
I’m not wasting my fucking time
Please calm down, I wasn’t telling you to do anything… I even said that it’s not a pleasant thing to do. Just that convincing-wise it’s better in my experience, but it’s okay and understandable if you don’t want to bother. I’d still disengage with the bad faith person instead of being snarky to them though. You yourself admit people are more swayed by flavour and attitudes than anything in debates so having a bad attitude will just at best make you two look bad
I saw a lot of civil people that got “dunked on”, both in here and by hexbear users in other instances
I think there is a point to arguing with unreasonable people in the internet, because other people are watching, and if you are the one remaining calm when another person is being unreasonably mean or denigrating it gives a convincing aura and vibe. Of course it’s not really pleasant to do though I do understand that
I’m curious enough to make an account here and actually ask questions since some of the stuff you people have said when calm did make sense to me. But for most people the mean and condescending replies making fun of posts counter-arguing are really offputting, I get that it’s fun but I think if you federated as an attempt to reach out to others and convince them it wasn’t the best idea honestly
Honestly defederation is a really awful part of the fediverse. It would be so much easier to just let people block the instances they want instead of leaving it up to the mods to control what information users get, that’s one of the main criticisms of reddit too
I don’t want to be spoonfed the same rhetoric by the same people over and over, I like reaching out and actually listening to what people have to say and decide for myself - now to do that I have to make an account here instead of just browsing with my regular instance
can you explain me/link me to something that explains why you see it as a coup?
Oh I didn’t know that. I think nowadays it’s more to the delusional free market dudebros that think they’ll someday be millionaires if they just don’t buy coffee at work or something