I’m confused. Do you have to go to bed after bedtime fun?

I’m not going to engage in bad faith arguments.

But I’ll clarify something with this statement just to elucidate your not so clever attempt at misinformation.

1. There is a way larger population in china (25m China vs 3.5m US)
2. Per-capita, there is greater capacity for Muslims in the United States to attend a mosque (1150 US vs 1000 China)
3. This is not a substantive example of anything we’re talking about since it doesn’t acknowledge the extent of freedoms or treatment of the Muslim populations in the respective countries. We could talk at length about the active genocide of the Uygher population in China, but I’m sure you have “reasonable explanations” for that, just as many Americans have “reasonable explanations” for their active support of Israel’s actions on the Palestinian people.

Let’s just accept that both nations are pretty messed up. We don’t need to do a “who’s worse”. But these bad faith arguments are just intellectually a waste of time.

It is, because China also has many things we can point to, which you don’t even mention. I already acknowledged the US’s imperialist actions, there was no need to elaborate on it, that isn’t disproving me. If you were discussing in good faith, there would be no need to further elaborate on an agreed fact. The burden is on you to prove to me that China is not like that.

Oh look! Whataboutisms! Even when called out directly… It’s laughable

Just for posterity’s sake, my previous comment

That’s just terribly false. All we have to do is spend 10 minutes looking at China’s official statements towards some of their active international intentions to see proof otherwise. This comment will likely be deleted because it doesn’t follow your narrative (just like my previous), but your statements aren’t convincing anyone.

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that’s not the point. there have been several major incidents that have proven information in general (on both sides) have been inconsistent. That’s why I suggest (since we all unanimously agree) this needs to stop and a cease-fire needs to happen asap, so we can begin the process of truly undersrabding the reality.

The UN is not unbiased or immune to misunderstanding in their reports, nor is reuters, or any other source at this point in time. We’ve seen this truth on several occasions. When there’s two vasty opposed ans biased ministries providing pretty much the only sources of information, it’s just bad practice to come to any solid conclusions. Where else in your life would you do this?

I want to qualify this with - we know what israel and the idf are doing is terribly wrong, and under no stretch of the imagination, can their actions be justified.

So, now that that’s clear - the palestinian health authority is directly controlled by HAMAS, and aljazeera is biased in the conflict, due to their relation and ownership.

We cannot trust any information and media reports coming from any source, doing so is a fools errend, and every argument follows this same cycle of futility for this reason.

What we can do, is call for an immediate cease fire and somehow band together internationally to demand an independent tribunal investigate. It may sound like a pipe-dream, but given the reality of this situation, it’s quite literally the only way…

i feel like if we applied this logic to most things, the world would be a better place…

I’m no where near a pro…intermediate at best. I generally climb v-grades around 7-8. I know this feeling you’re talking about very much. Sometimes I revisit where I was, and where I’m at, and what once felt impossible to even imagine now just feels intuitive (of course it’s all relative, as anyone climbing v10 and above look like magicians to me). It sort of just happens naturally through practice and experience. Learning a skill is so wonderful!

So actually there are many cars that are nearly or just as safe as SUVs and have similar storage capacity. These arguments are often used by industry but don’t really hold any weight

https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/rollover/unsafe/theme.html

it’s as if you think the alternative is businesses being like “alright boys, suburbs are on the menu”.

of course there’ll be regulation, mixed use zoning doesn’t mean chaos.

yo. let me clean mine out i’ll get back to you, about to go for a climbing session rn

i needed this today. thanks

i’m facing this dilemma right now. We require a library that hasn’t been updated in two years with a maintainer/developer that’s no where to be seen. But it’s really the only solution aside from building something from scratch or forking. This is for an enterprise level peice of software/spaghetti from a top 3 company in the industry…and super normal to see happen regularly.