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Cake day: October 27th, 2023

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  • Just depends on return offered and how the rest of the season goes. If we lose a bunch more, AoC struggled and we can get a decent first round pick to bundle with our other to trade uo and pick Williams or Maye etc. we probably move him.

    If we win more and want to keep him to be more competitive next year and/or only get offered a second or lower we probably keep him.


  • Yeah it’s all just a function of the franchise being so miserably unsuccessful for 20+ years, tons of dysfunction with tons of coaching changes, bad drafts and trades/signings more often than good ones etc. Hard to have an engaged fanbase given that and leaves a lot of what is engaging online hostile and toxic, especially once losses start piling up again a given season. Just not really worth it, I read some and post little and otherwise just watch the games and don’t bother with fellow fans online much these days. Mostly skim here for news, injury updates etc. since I’m an east coast fan so no local media coverage here and just what bits end up in The Athletic.



  • Agreed. He was at his ceiling. They should have just rode with Stidham this year with an eye on drafting a QB in the deeper pool this year since it was too costly to move up to get Young or Stroud last year. Now we’re stuck with Jimmy G as a back up or releasing and having a big dead cap hit. Either way, should draft a QB this spring even if AOC plays great as need competition and it’s a deep QB pool so good options will be available even without a top pick and some decent ones in 2nd and 3rd round if there’s another position need we can’t pass up in the first.




  • I also wonder if some of it is generational with even Belichick struggling post-Brady and the players that won those Super Bowls. I’m just not sure the super hard coaching, work crazy hours shit flies as much these days. Players are competitive and want to work hard and win of course, but a vibe like we’ve seen since Pierce took over with the basketball hoop in the locker room, players wrestling, cigars after beating a terrible team at home etc. players want some work/life balance, a mix of fun rewards for all the hard work they put in.

    Old school guys like Belichick in the NFL, Saban in college can still get by as long as they’re winning big. As we’re seeing with the Patriots decline lately, even those guys can lose it once the winning stops. Also probably a big part of why Belichick’s assistants haven’t done well as head coaches as a whole as they don’t have that history of winning to get buy in and they quickly lose teams when losses pile up (which they almost always will early on as most coaching hires are to a team that’s down/rebuilding) on top of players not having fun with the “Patriot’s Way.” They all have their own flaws, McDaniels especially, but I just don’t think that style is going to fly—especially for a young and/or rebuilding team. Saban’s assistants haven’t done the greatest either, Smart being the notable exception and he runs a much looser ship and that’s probably part of why he’s having bigger success than Saban lately. Also som guys like Kiffin, but hard to count those that spent brief times on Saban’s staff as his guys vs. the longer time assistants like Smart and others.