Where could millions of EV batteries retire? Solar farms.
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A Southern California company is showing how repurposing EV batteries for stationary storage can extend their usefulness for several years.

This Southern California solar farm is using retired EV batteries for storing the power and then send to the grid when needed. This way the retired batteries can extend their usefulness for several…::A Southern California company is showing how repurposing EV batteries for stationary storage can extend their usefulness for several years.

  • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    7 months ago

    This flies in the face of everything I thought I knew about charging my phone & laptop

    • Jayemecee@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      13·
      7 months ago

      Yea, back in the day, when first phones and laptops were coming out, the tech was different, and was better to fully discharge/charge the battery. Nowadays it’s the opposite, but the mith still survives

      An easy analogy for batteries nowadays is to see them as an elastic completely relaxed at 50%. At 0% or 100% the elastic would be fully stretched. You want to avoid that to maximize its life

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      7 months ago

      If you have an android there should be a “protect battery” mode that literally caps the charge at 85%

      • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        Thanks, I knew it was better to not fully charge lithium ion batteries, but I didn’t know Android had a setting for this. Just enabled it now.

      • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        I honestly thought once it got to 100% it stayed mains powered until unplugged to stop overcharging. Never realised 85% was optimal.

        • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          7 months ago

          I think your right, its not going to keep cooking the battery. The problem is the battery doesn’t need to go over 85%. Your supposed to not let it go under 20 or over 85. Kind of hard to do.

        • Square Singer@feddit.deEnglish
          2·
          7 months ago

          The voltage of a Lipo corresponds to it’s charge level. So a Lipo at 4.2V (or in case of high voltage Lipos 4.35V) is full.

          Up to ~80% of the charge, the lipo is charged by current limiting (basically, the voltage of the charging circuit raises so that it stays so much above the cell battery that it’s charging at a set current). This is the fast charging part of the charging process.

          After the charging voltage reaches the maximum allowed cell voltage (4.2V/4.35V), the charging circuit cannot go above that voltage because it would risk overcharging and blowing up the cell. So the carging circuit holds the voltage at maximum level until the cell voltage catches up. Since the voltage difference shrinks with every bit of charge on the cell, so does the charging speed.

          That’s why you only see “Charges the phone from 0-80% in X minutes” in the ads, and not 0-100%.

          This means, that the charger in incapable of overcharging the phone.

          But keeping the charger running even though it doesn’t charge the phone anymore wastes energy, so what they do once you reach 100% is that it will disable the charger until the voltage is down to 95%, when it will resume charging. That’s why it’s quite likely if you unplug the phone after charging overnight, that the battery is not at 100%, but slightly below.

      • Square Singer@feddit.deEnglish
        2·
        7 months ago

        NiCd was the one with the bad memory effect that required full charging cycles. They where also really toxic which is why they are illegal in many countries now.

        NiMh hardly had any memory effect left, but would degrade comparatively quickly.

        Li-Ion/Li-Po is what we currently have. They don’t like to be full or empty for long times and like shallow charging cycles.