A few year back, there was a Netflix documentary about flat earther. They’ve done a couple of experiment to prove that the earth is flat which (Spoiler alert) demonstrated that the earth is round.

So now that these persons have demonstrated scientifically that the earth is round. How are they doing ? Still flat-earther ? or did they give up with the amount of evidence they collected ?

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    It tries to show that good faith engagement is better than ridicule, but in the end it shows that flat Earthers are so contrarian that they will actively ignore the results of their own experiments and engaging in good faith is pointless.

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      Basically, treat all humans with dignity. In psychiatry you’re told to treat all patients with good faith, but don’t let the guy who thinks he is Napoleon run the hospital.

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        By default all humans should be treated with dignity unless they are causing direct harm to others. Flat Earthers are kind of an edge case because their anti science and evidence approach is tied in with the antivax movement so they are harming others indirectly.

        MAGA idiots, racists, and other hate filled people do not deserve dignity. In amedical setting, sure, but not in the real world where they are causing harm.

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          No, all humans should be treated with dignity always. We should do all in our power to stop and restraint those causing or intending to cause harm to others. But no crime justifies cruelty or indignity ever.

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            I guess then you start messing with the definition of dignity. I don’t think it’s very dignified to be restrained for one’s fucked up views.

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              I know this is radical to you, but even criminals retain rights, even if they’re convicted for their crimes. Even due process and right to legal defense is about preserving human dignity for all.

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                Wow yes, this is so radical! Thanks for exposing me to this thought, I thought everyone taken in by the police is just thrown into a deep pit, without food, sanitation or anything really, and just forgotten about.

                I was talking about if I think of dignity, being taken in by law enforcement because my beliefs were literally so stupid as to make me dangerous to the general public if I was allowed to spout them any further, that would be very very far away from any dignity.

                Obviously I was not talking about people not being allowed basic human necesseties or due process or anything like that.

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              He doesn’t mean literally restrain line with chains or something. He means figuratively restrain

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                https://lemm.ee/comment/6002206

                I was talking about if I think of dignity, being taken in by law enforcement because my beliefs were literally so stupid as to make me dangerous to the general public if I was allowed to spout them any further, that would be very very far away from any dignity.

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            Are you serious? There’s a huge number of humans that deserve no dignity. Terrorists and paedophiles spring to mind but there are many many more.

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              Yes, I’m 100% serious, even terrorists and pedophiles deserve a minimum of human dignity. It’s not about their morals. It’s about mine and our collective societal moral principles. To deny another human being dignity, no matter how awful their actions might’ve been, says nothing about the other person’s character, but speaks volumes about the person and society advocating indignity towards others. Yours is the logic that enables genocidal and discriminating abusive leaders.

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              Think about this. The racist police officers who killed George Floyd had the exact same mindset that you do. They thought that they could treat him as less than human because he was a criminal. Fox news, yes, the MAGA channel, ran with a story that tried to justify his murder because he was a suspected criminal. How do you feel sharing moral values with them?

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                That’s completely misrepresenting what I said. Don’t put words in my mouth. Suspected of a crime, then it should be proven beyond doubt and then punished. Guilty of bombing people, abusing kids? Don’t deserve any dignity in my opinion

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                  Even the worst people imaginable are still people. They think, they feel, they experience, they are sentient.

                  The moment you begin to dehumanize people is the moment you’ve slipped past the point and when you become capable of truly horrific things.

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                    Well said.

                    I’d also point out that dehumanising a subgroup is a powerful technique used to manipulate people. Tell people who to hate and you can get them to go along with anything while they’re focused on the scapegoats. Popular scapegoats include:

                    • immigrants (taking our jobs while, paradoxically, being a welfare burden)
                    • religious groups (Jews, Muslims, etc.)
                    • welfare recipients (dole bludgers, a burden on society)
                    • criminals (war on drugs, tough on crime)

                    Any time someone is demonising a group theres a good chance they’re just trying to manipulate you.

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                    So allow them to be free and commit truly immoral crimes? Because locking them up is not very dignified

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                  Oh, OK. A bunch of prison deputies would be so happy to hear that you support their sexual abuse of immates.

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              I agree there are people undeserving, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are inalienable rights inherent to all people. If the state is going to legitimately enforce the law it must respect those rights while doing so.

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        “Don’t let the horse run the hospital”

        -John Mulaney

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        Generally in most cases schizophrenia isn’t catching whereas poisonous stupidity spreads. It’s important to keep the disease from infecting too many new adherents. Think of humor as containment.

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        Unfortunately, the guy who thinks he’s Napoleon usually does run the hospital and most other organizations.

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      My takeaway is there is something driving that contrarian attitude. We need to figure out how to address those underlying causes rather than exacerbating them through ostracization.

      Really good documentary. I watched it while trying to engage over at reddit’s AskTrumSupporters. It was interesting to see that community become more and more radicalized as the years went on, as the insane bullshit piled up. Helped me come to terms with the fact that engaging on that level is counter productive if anything.