Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.

“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.

Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!

Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.

Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!

Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.

Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs

Brady: 9th

Rivers: 15th

Peyton: 18th

Rodgers: 18th

Brees: 20th

Mahomes: 20th

And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.

  • TheApologist_@alien.topBEnglish
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    11 months ago

    People who unironically think Brady made Bill need to go revisit that first SB run.

    Brady becoming elite years later masks that from being one of the worst QB’s to ever win a ring.

    • Teeshirtandshortsguy@alien.topBEnglish
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      10 months ago

      They don’t even have to go that far. It wasn’t that long ago that Brady put up 13 points in a Super Bowl and still won because Belichick held the best offense in the league to 3.

      Pretty sure McVay still has flashbacks about that game.

      • Commercial-Pin-8024@alien.topBEnglish
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        10 months ago

        That game never happens unless Brady and the offense score a shit ton of points in their first 2 postseason games against the chargers and the Chiefs.