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Dressed uniformly in black, the protesters with Jewish Voice for Peace gathered on the pedestal shortly before 1 p.m. when they dropped massive banners with calls for a cease-fire and other slogans, such as “The Whole World Is Watching” and “Never Again for Anyone.” The group sang “Cease-fire now” and occupied the national monument for about 20 minutes before dispersing. The protest, which the group said included more than 500 people, continued on a ferry headed back to Manhattan.
I think you mean to say Hamas, who are not supported by the majority of Palestinians.
A cease fire means no more dead anyone. A lack of a cease fire means you just want more dead Palestinians.
Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself without committing genocide
On 6/10 there was a cease fire - that didn’t prevent Israelis from being slaughtered. Hamas showed no* indication of stopping their massacares. In fact, they did the opposite - they only talk about how glad they are with the massacare and how they intend to do that again.
Then what was the 7/10 attack? Even with oppressing the region they can’t defend against such terror acts without their air force.
You talk about Hamas but Israel mainly kills innocent civilians. Weird.
I don’t like war generally but go ahead, kill Hamas. The problem is all the other people that are killed.
And also, before the conflict there had already been more Palestinians killed in the west bank in 2023 than any year since 2005. So did Israel respect this “cease fire”?
Obviously when people say cease fire they mean a real one.
A failure. That doesn’t justify genocide of people who didn’t do anything wrong and most of whom won’t even remember the last election.
You mean during this war or before? If during, then yeah probably (although Hamas won’t release the numbers of terrorists/civilians killed) But again, that’s just war, and war is horrible. We can all agree on that.
And about 2023 being the deadliest one - it’s so much more nuanced than this - it’s indeed the Israeli government’s fault that things escalated since it’s one of the most right-wing governments Israel has ever seen - and their lack of competence should and is blamed for the escalation and for allowing such a major attack to happen. Israel’s government has a lot to answer after this war, to a lot of people - especially to Israelis.
That is to say, the escalation in violence was in the west bank, not in Gaza. Gaza was a relatively quiet area for months up until the attack (except for disturbenceses on the fence which Israel stupidly disregarded)
Then by that standard there have been 0 cease fires in Gaza since Hamas took over. Rockets are fired from Gaza at least once a year - is that peace in your eyes? Calling for it now after all those years is just ridiculous. Maybe a pause for humanitarian aid, but ceasefire? Basically giving Gaza back to Hamas? What sane Israeli would live in one of the slaughtered Kibutz while Hamas is still in power?
War != Genocide. They both have massive civilian deaths - but it’s an important distinction. The 7/10 attack does indeed justify entering a war - where sadly lots of civilians are killed. Poor Gazans have both Israel and Hamas to blame for allowing this war to happen.
Absolutely! I meant during this outbreak but I don’t think it matters. It’s always the same.
This is true but obviously it’s related.
No it is not peace. Plus with the iron dome the rockets are pointless and stupid. But Israel has been blockading Gaza for 16 years, it’s an open air prison. A cease fire would be to help the civilians trapped. You ask what sane Israeli would live in one of the slaughtered Kibutz: imagine if you couldn’t leave because a superior power is keeping you by force. It fucking sucks. But nobody will help you because we aren’t sure if your neighbour is a secret terrorist, so we may have to bomb your house. Sorry.
The only way to actually achieve peace is for Israel to recognize the human rights of Palestinians and allow a Palestinian state to exist. If you oppress people you can’t be surprised if they rise up, and acting like the victim is misleading at best.
I will just quote the UN
Israel has undoubtedly done the first three. Only one is required. You might argue intent but this doesn’t fly in my opinion. They have told people to leave to the south to be safe, then bombed the roads south and bombed the actual south. Cut off water. Bombed densely populated civilian areas. The hospitals cannot function now. I refuse to believe this is not intentional killing, and this is not a regular case of war where “sadly lots of civilians are killed.” The only monsters worse than Hamas are Israel and the IDF. We will look back on what’s happening here with horror.
Reading your replies to this guy, and man, I thought neo-Nazi’s online would be the last time I saw genocide denials. Instead it’s pro-Israel accounts. The world really did flip in 2016 didn’t it?
It’s absolutely wild. I really hope people start to see what is happening here.
Harambe was the beginning of the end, it’s true.