• ???@lemmy.worldOP
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    From what I understand they released two hostages via the Red Cross and things went fine. I think Hamas willing to return hostages is a good thing. Why won’t Israel take them up on it despite them already releasing two? Most likely imo because Israel’s long term goals include genocide and their handling of the hostage situation so far has been shit.

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      I think the balance of probability is demonstrates that’s Hamas is lying here. If they wanted to release two hostages, with no strings attached, they could simply drop them off at the Red Cross, the UN, or at the Egyptian border. To claim that they need Israelis agreement, and support to release a hostage is extremely disingenuous.

      Honestly, it sounds like they’re just trying to get a sound bite for propaganda purposes. It doesn’t matter that it’s obviously a lie, the people who can see it’s a lie aren’t the ones the propaganda’s for.

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        . If they wanted to release two hostages, with no strings attached, they could simply drop them off at the Red Cross, the UN, or at the Egyptian border.

        They did drop two hostages to the Red Cross just 2 days ago.

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          Great. Why can’t they do that again? Why press release that Israel is preventing them from releasing two more hostages with no strings attached?

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            No one said or suggested they can’t do thart again. It’s saying Israel doesn’t want to cooperate.

            I don’t want to believe Hamas straight away but Israel is the one with the track record of lies.

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              My point is, why does it matter if Israel cooperates or not? There’s many places to release the hostages to that aren’t Israeli.

              So this press release, and the implication of it, looks like straight propaganda based on a lie.

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                Why does it matter if Israel, whose citizens and visitors are hostages, responds to a request to release the hostages?

                Give me a break. Israel always gets absolved in everything doesn’t it.

                Yeah it could be propaganda but your reasoning is really deficient here.

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                  I’m sorry you think that way. I am genuinely pro-Palestinian freedom. Antiapartheid. But I’m not going to take propaganda at face value. We have to critically think about all the data we’re getting.

                  Hamas saying they are unable to release two hostages is false on the face of itself. To claim that they are unable to release hostages because of Israeli resistance is also demonstrably false. We both agree, in this very conversation, the Hamas could drop off anybody they want to the Red Cross at any time. The fact that they’re unwilling to do that, and blame Israel, demonstrates this is a false propaganda narrative.

                  This is not a dichotomy, you’re not pro-Hamas or pro Israeli. There’s more positions to that. Both of the belligerent military forces here have demonstrated themselves to lie constantly. We can dislike both of them and still want Palestinian freedom, and the end of apartheid.

                  But if my logic is incorrect, please help me understand my logical errors here.

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                    Your “why does it matter if” and resting your argument on it. I don’t see it. Why wouldn’t Israel negotiate about hostage release? It has done so in the past successfully. Hamas isn’t pulling a wildcard here.

                    Looking at Israeli public opinion, it seems that no one believes this is a good way to handle the hostage situation. We can talk about Hamas lying all day but it’s quite likely true that hostages have died in Israeli bombing of Gaza itself. Again, Israel has a bigger goal here that goes beyond those hostages. Their own governments are betraying them, it’s not fair. Israel’s actions indicate that their concern for the wellbeing of those hostages is not genuine.

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              Internally, Netanyahu can’t afford to reject any semi reasonable offer. He also wants to be able to say he did anything positive. He’ll hopefully be crucified no matter what, but in his eyes nothing is his fault and he’s working hard at getting points for any achievement and blaming everything and anyone in the past millenia.