• ???@lemmy.worldOP
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    1 year ago

    Your “why does it matter if” and resting your argument on it. I don’t see it. Why wouldn’t Israel negotiate about hostage release? It has done so in the past successfully. Hamas isn’t pulling a wildcard here.

    Looking at Israeli public opinion, it seems that no one believes this is a good way to handle the hostage situation. We can talk about Hamas lying all day but it’s quite likely true that hostages have died in Israeli bombing of Gaza itself. Again, Israel has a bigger goal here that goes beyond those hostages. Their own governments are betraying them, it’s not fair. Israel’s actions indicate that their concern for the wellbeing of those hostages is not genuine.

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      1 year ago

      Okay. Because you didn’t indicate any of my logic was incorrect. Do we both agree Hamas is lying about their intention to release two hostages with no strings attached? The demonstration of the lie is the fact that they haven’t done it.

      Everything you said about the intent of Israel may or may not be true, but that’s not the subject here. This whole post is about Hamas lying about wanting to release hostages. It has nothing to do with Israel.

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        1 year ago

        No, we don’t agree. For me it’s inconclusive.

        I don’t see how this is more about Hamas and less about Israel, so maybe we aren’t discussing stuff on the same level.

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          1 year ago

          The post, and the news article it references, are about Hamas saying they want to release two people. We’ve discussed multiple ways they could release two people without interference by Israel. Israel not cooperating with Hamas may or may not be true. But it’s a non sequiter. If I told you I wanted to pay my rent, but President Shanmugaratnam wouldn’t agree with me on my plan to pay rent, you would rightly think that’s nonsense, it’s a non sequitur, the president of Singapore has nothing to do with me paying rent. Israel has nothing to do with Hamas releasing hostages to the Red Cross, or the UN, or to Egypt. These are independent things.

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            1 year ago

            He is just pro hamas and bitiching when you call him out. You dont need ANYTHING to relase People. Just hand them over. It was done an uncountable Number of times in the History of Mankind. But Snek want to blame Israel. Thats it. Nothing more and nothing less.