FTX execs blew through $8B — testimony reveals how::Sam Bankman-Fried and other FTX executives spent $8 billion worth of customer funds on real estate, venture capital investments, campaign donations,

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    They could’ve been massively rich running the exchange the legit way, but no… it’s always more, more, more… now, now, now.

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        My understanding is the exchange itself wasn’t really their downfall. Their downfall was was using the money deposited with them or invested into their company to gamble on risky trading with an affiliated investment firm. They kind of ran this firm, it was supposed to be separate but really wasn’t. It sounds like at least $10 billion was moved from the exchange to this investment firm, who lost most of it. Didn’t help that the main thing that firm was involved in was… buying crypto of course. In an incestuous ouroboros of fraud.

        But yeah I think you’re right, even if they hadn’t engaged in all that fraud, how does an exchange determine how much money in usd and different cryptocurrencies to keep on hand to safely cover all depositors with them when there is such dramatic volatility in all the different cryptocurrency values? Every crypto exchange is probably doomed to a massive dramatic collapse at some point or another just from a volatility standpoint alone. Not to mention the massive underlying issues with many cryptocurrencies like wasting energy, wasting resources, co2 generation. Hard to argue there’s such a thing as a “legit” exchange.

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          how does an exchange determine how much money in usd and different cryptocurrencies to keep on hand to safely cover all depositors with them when there is such dramatic volatility in all the different cryptocurrency values?

          If you move 1 BTC to an exchange, and you keep it in your account on the exchange, the exchange is meant to keep the 1 BTC on behalf of you.

          They are not meant to do anything other than keep it.

          An exchange is not a bank.

          If the exchange takes your tokens (or fiat) and does anything other than what you ask them to do, they’re not legit.

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          They also had practically no accounting of money going in or out, other than Quickbooks. Their entire platform was coded as a ponzi scheme with explicit cases to skip checking if balances would go negative when withdrawing money for Alameda Research.

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          It’s still a bit hazy how Alameda lost so much money. Normally when hedge funds blow up, there are some identifiable bad trades that take down the rest of the fund. We still haven’t been told that story in the Alameda/FTX case.

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          Every crypto exchange is probably doomed to a massive dramatic collapse at some point or another just from a volatility standpoint alone.

          Properly run, an exchange does not speculate on the underlying asset, it only facilitates trades, and there is zero volatility.

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    Michael Lewis: “This is bullshit, Sam was gonna pay it all back. All he did was move money from one account into another, that’s not a crime!”

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Singh, who has already pled guilty to fraud, money laundering and violation of campaign finance laws, said Monday that he learned of the massive hole in Alameda’s books as a result of a coding error that “prevented the correct accounting” of user deposits by around $8 billion.

    Bankman-Fried had proposed a term sheet to Singh and Wang one night that laid out hundreds of millions of dollars of onuses to Kives and Bryan Baum, co-founder and managing partner of K5.

    Bankman-Fried also believed that endorsement deals and even “unpaid partnerships with celebrities” would help increase FTX’s influence to propel its success, said Singh.

    Singh recalled one instance where Bankman-Fried got visibly angry with him and said that people like him were “sowing seeds of doubt in the company decisions” and were “the real insidious problem here.”

    Singh’s testimony aligned with Yedidia’s that states in June 2022, the executives learned that Alameda owed $8 billion worth of FTX customer money after Ellison shared a Google Doc displaying the “extremely negative” balance.

    A feature called “allow negative” let Alameda trade, borrow and withdraw FTX funds in excess of its balance and collateral amounts, according to Singh.


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